The simple truth 7

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Dennis Prager give a very good, short, simple, accurate account of why there is an Arab-Israeli conflict.

Posted under Arab States, History, Islam, Israel by Jillian Becker on Sunday, January 2, 2011

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  • Duoism

    At current demographic rates, including net immigration, birth and death rates, etc., Israel becomes majority Muslim at the very end of this century, around 2097-98. The name of the country is sure to be changed and the national flag will not likely continue to be the Shield of David. Arabic will become, by ballot, the official first language, Hebrew the second, maybe English the third or just used by the elites who cannot abide using the ‘other’ official language.

    Israel is presently surrounded on the north and southwest by an evolved form of theofascism, which is showing itself to be implacably hostile to the Jewish state. After three generations since its founding, the enmity toward Israel shows no sign of abating. That theofascism will become nuclear-armed sometime within the next twenty years appears to be a foregone inevitability, and then what happens?

    Mr. Prager makes a good rhetorical point about the opposing responses to declarations of unilateral peace, but it’s only a rhetorical point. On the ground where it counts, there is not ever going to be a Middle East peace, and that should be obvious after the constant hostilities for the past 73 years. It’s long overdue for thinking about the Middle East to break out of the box it is in; it defies reason to think that two peoples with two separate sociologies and two separate religions are going to share the same land at the same time when one of the two is ascendent and will become a hostile majority full of grievances for the new minority.

  • Gibson Block

    Unfortunately, Praeger has decided that his audience can’t handle the truth.

    Israel is the traditional homeland of the Jews. In the late 1800s, the Zionist movement was created to return the Jewish people to their homeland.

    During WW1, England promised to support the creation / restoration of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. England took over rule of Palestine from Turkey after WW1.

    The Jewish population in Palestine had been minimal for at least 1500 years so the people who were living there were not keen to see them arrive. They fought politically and physically and continue to do so.

    That’s what Praeger left out.

    He also didn’t mention that once Israel was created in 1948, many ancient Jewish communities in Arab lands were persecuted and ended up in Israel — which would suggest that they did, in fact, lead an existence fraught with danger as a minority in European or Arab countries.

  • Zena

    Jews against Zionism? That’s like saying I’m for suicide, please help me kill myself. Gad, what morons….

    • Macnvettes

      Honestly, I can have respect for those who are true to the book that they claim as written by their god, I have no respect for hypocrites, which are 99% of the religious. As long as someone’s religion doesn’t infringe on my freedoms, I say let them have at it. On purely religious debates, I stay out of it until my freedoms or wallet is affected. If the retarded religious want to kill or subjugate themselves in the name of their own god, then so be it!

  • Macnvettes

    For an alternative, Jewish perspective, view this page: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
    Why can’t we, as conservative atheists, be on the side of letting the religious nuts work out their own disputes?

    • Jillian Becker

      Thank you, Macnvettes, for all your comments, with most of which we agree. We heartily welcome you as a reader.

      Here, however, we find a difference of opinion.

      The Jews are uniquely both a people and a religion.

      It is very likely that most Jews today are atheists – even many who observe some religious traditions.

      Our interest in the state of Israel is political. Zionism is the nationalism of the Jewish people, and is no more or less valid than any other nationalism.

      A Jew who is against the Jewish state either does not know the history of his people, or is probably on the left – which is to say an enemy of freedom.

    • C. Gee

      I do not know whether the site you link to is related to Naturei Karta. Not worth delving into. From Naturei Karta’s site:

      “Neturei Karta oppose the so-called “State of Israel” not because it operates secularly, but because the entire concept of a sovereign Jewish state is contrary to Jewish Law.

      All the great rabbis who in accordance with Jewish Law opposed Zionism at its inception did not do so merely due to consideration of the secular lifestyles of the then Zionist leaders or even for their opposition to Torah heritage and rejection of its values and practices, but due to the fact that the entire concept of a Jewish state is in direct conflict with a number of Judaism’s fundamentals.

      Condemnation of and segregation from anything connected to or affiliated with the so-called modern day “State of Israel” is based on the Talmud, the key fundamental doctrine of the Oral Tradition handed down by G-d to Moses on Mt. Sinai. The Talmud in Tractate Kesubos (p. 111a), teaches that Jews shall not use human force to bring about the establishment of a Jewish state before the coming of the universally accepted Moshiach (Messiah from the House of David). Furthermore it states that we are forbidden to rebel against the nations and that we should remain loyal citizens and we shall not attempt to leave the exile which G-d sent us into, ahead of time.”

      This band of fundamentalists regularly support Israel’s enemies: show up at UN “Durban” hate-fests, support flotillas, travel to Iran…

      The point is, conservative atheists in some circumstances cannot risk ignoring religious disputes or – especially – alliances: there can be too much collateral damage.