The vale of tears and the city on the hill 12

We have become sadly used to reading about Muslim men killing their daughters, sisters and wives to restore or preserve the “honor” of their family.

We have posted stories of Muslim girls being buried alive by their fathers, brothers, uncles, tribal elders. (See our posts, In the name of Allah the Merciful, February 4, 2010; Imagine, February 6, 2010; The atrocity that is Islam, September 10, 2010.)* In some cases, their mothers and sisters plead vainly for their lives.

Now we hear of  two Muslim mothers helping each other kill their daughters because they married men of their own choice in defiance of family disapproval and the convention of their “culture”.

Phyllis Chesler writes at Front Page:

Two Muslim mothers, both widows, both living in Uttar Pradesh in India, helped each other murder their grown daughters, Zahida, 19, and Husna, 26, for having committed the crime of marrying Hindu men.

They held their daughters down and slowly strangled them to death. The poor dead darlings actually believed they were entitled to marry non-Muslim men and for “love,” and that ultimately their mothers and Muslim community would accept them back. This is typical of many honor killing victims. While these two young women knew enough to contact the police for help — and the police actually got their mothers to sign an agreement that they would not “harm” their children — it was only a deceptive piece of paper. But the daughters’ longing for reconciliation and naive hopefulness was their undoing. Their mothers agreed not to hurt them and sweet-talked them into returning; once the girls were home, they became prey for the kill.

But life without a family network is unthinkable for someone whose identity is not individual but rather located in a collectivity. Progress and “modernity” may be coming to India, but slowly, very slowly.

Neither mother, Khatun or Subrato, has expressed the slightest remorse. Both feel justified because their daughters brought shame to their families. According to the police, Khatun said: “We killed them because they brought shame to our community. How could they elope with Hindus? They deserved to die. We have no remorse.”

This is cold-hearted, barbaric, almost unbelievable. But such Muslim-on-Muslim crimes and woman-on-woman crimes are typical in many parts of the world. …

We expect women, mothers especially, to be able to defy social custom for the sake of saving their children. The reality is just the opposite. The slightest transgression, especially by women, will upset huge networks and topple all social stability. No one will marry someone from a “shamed” family; that family will be forever ostracized, impoverished, and may also die out genetically. Mothers, fathers, relatives are loyal to their tribal social customs rather than to any one individual, even if that individual is their own child. The system itself demands and allows for such barbarism—but the sacrifice of the individual is seen as in the service of the greater tribal and caste based social structure or “civilization.”

She is right to put the word civilization in quotation marks in that context. She is also right to point out that,  as a feature of Islamic custom, woman-on-woman cruelty goes on in “many parts of the world”, which is to say that Muslim “culture” often has its baleful effect even in countries where Muslims are a minority. “Honor killings” are carried out by Muslims in Western Europe and the United States. Religion is often the ingredient that keeps a culture primitive and cruel. In the case of Khartun and Sobrato, they objected fiercely to the husbands because they were Hindus.

India is a democracy, and rapidly becoming an economic power in the world. The British brought ideas of individual freedom and justice to the sub-continent and put an end to its cultural tradition of “suttee” – the burning alive of a wife on her husband’s funeral pyre. And the process of “modernization” is continuing – meaning that it is continuing to develop into a Western-type law and order state. But democracy and law take time to eradicate ancient traditions and change cultures.

In India .. mothers-in-law routinely assist their sons in burning their daughters-in-law to death. This is known as a “dowry killing” because it is done so that a new bride can bring another dowry into the impoverished and/or greedy family. There is actually a special wing in a prison in New Delhi for such mothers-in-law. … Both women and men steal children in India and sell them to be adopted abroad or, more frequently, to be groomed into sexual slavery either at home or abroad.

The exploitation of children as prostitutes is common in India, and not only as prostitutes. We have written about a child whipped with razor-blades by her beggar-father to arouse pity and solicit alms (see our post, Condemned to dream and bleed, December 23, 2010).

Governments may make laws, and courts may rule, against such practices. Perpetrators may even be punished. But in its struggle with custom, law can take ages to succeed.

The truth, however offensive to liberal opinion, is that most of the world’s cultures are barbarically cruel. And the cruelty is often inseparable from religion. Life for millions of human beings in our time is still essentially tribal, which is to say collective, and haunted by superstition. A vale of tears. Thousands of well-meaning young Peace Corps enthusiasts going to “help” in Africa can change nothing. Whole American armies mis-used to build schools and clinics in Afghanistan can change nothing. Technology alone – the life-improving products of the First World – may, in time, effect a real transformation.

Only the First World, the Western Pan-European culture, its values and system, is worthy as a whole of respect; and if the respectable is to be searched for the best that humankind has achieved, it is the Anglo-Saxon that deserves the laurel wreath. Yes, the birthplace of it, Britain, is in steep decline; and yes, it is  flawed with religion and threatened presently by socialist collectivism in America, the multi-ethnic land of its supreme success. But it is the highest peak of civilization, the Shining City on the Hill.


* See also this story from Pakistan (hat tip George).

  • Don L

    These are the people that Ron Paul says wouldn’t ever use the bomb on us…they’re rational.  If killing your own children for some insne in the air nonsense is rational…

  • Religion has rule this world and
    caused so much pain and suffering, it is time for a real change in the
    evolution of our species.

  • This is a very sensitive area for
    some people. We need to be very careful and use care when discuss these issues.

    • George

      I must respectfully disagree . No we don’t need to address  “‘sensitivity”  but rather we need to be more assertive and tell it like it is. That’s why they have gotten away with this for so long , because  people are so afraid to speak out and address the issues the way it really is.  They don’t care about our feelings or our sensitivities  and therefore  , why should I “walk on eggshells trying to not get them upset when they live on insulting us, denigrating us, villifying us , maligning us and spreading lies  and deceit and then blaming us for their actions. 
                      They see our passivity as weakness and they take advantage of it. They see niceness as weakness and they get bolder each day as a result because they know they can get away with it without any resistance .  I undertand your point sir but that is what the liberal secularists have been teaching for decades now and as a result the fundamentalists are kicking our butts because they don’t see us as a whole standing up for ourselves and fighting back. I don’t like confrontation or controversy but we do not need to be cowardly and worry about others feelings when these same individuals couldn’t give a rat’s a** about our feelings.  
                      They will think twice when they see us stand up for ourselves and don’t take their crap.  This does not mean that we should go about being aggressive or abbrasive but to speak up and stand up for ourselves and defend freethought as we should and get a spine !  

    • Don L

      sensible to what..animals…F…them and you for even suggesting people like this deserve any consideration other than destroying them before they try to force this inhumanity on us.

  • Scrims2

    Its mind boggling what religion, combined with abject ignorance and caveman level brain developement, can make people do – something so unnatural as killing your own children. Even animals don’t do this. I never understood why ancient people tolerated the practice of human sacrifice, but this sheds some light on it. They simply brainlessly followed the totalitarian dictates of their “imams”, just like our world leaders of today! Thats real progress…   

  • Les.w (UK)

    medieval barbarism and ignorance is still rampant in many parts of the world – in some places, eg Pakistan, Sudan, etc., reason and civilization are in retreat. As so often, religion is the main culprit.
     You say ‘Britain is in steep decline’.  That was the case under the previous Labour government, but that has now started to be reversed under our new  Conservative government.  However, in the US religious faith/belief in a god remains very high at around 70-80%. In GB religious belief in a god is around 25%. In the US belief in evolution is low, at around 35%. Here in GB it is around 76%.  What does that tell you about ‘civilized’ values in GB vs USA? I would suggest that it is the US that is in decline.
    You don’t mention the much vaunted ‘Arab spring’. I suspect that, particularly with Obama’s weak, muddled response, this will open the door for Islamism, and they will jump from the frying pan into the fire.

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  • George

      I agree with all that is stated in this article with the exception of the last paragraph which I totally disagree  with.   Not to cause conflict here but all my life I have been an “A” student in history and I make particular care to study a vast variety of sources to attain that which is true and not propaganda by promoting a particular agenda or cultural indoctrination. 
                     I would suggest the arthor read — The Black Athena and Isis in the Ancient World   , and Moral Combat : Black atheists, gender Politics, and values wars by Sikivu Hutchinson, and We Are All Africans by Kwadwo Obeng  ( an African author and scholar now having immigrated to America and who I have personally spoken with extensively in person  ) and Stolen Legacy : Greek Philosophy is Stolen Egyptian Philosophy by George G. M . James  ( now being attacked by Euro-centrists with an agenda , and yet the book has been supported by many famous and respectable historians ) , and check the internet website titled-   Black Holocaust in America ( The Black Holocaust society )  presents A Black Holocaust in America .  I have reams of historical documents and historical events that the mainstream media and academia does not present to us ( and the sources are NOT from some groups pushing some PC or other revisionist agenda ) .
                                   Amazing how the author considers that the enslavement of black Africans in America for centuries is regarded as CIVILIZATION,  the massacre of Native American Indians and the literal stealiong of their homeland, the subjugation and oppression of women , Jim Crow southern  “apartheid”  in the south , lynchings, beatings, gunslingers of the Wild  Wild West, shootouts at the OK coral , quarrels settled by duels, organized crime syndicates and mafia violence and crime , etc, etc etc etc  ad nauseum .   There were great civilizations , cultures, and societies many many thousands of years ago in Africa and the collections of archival remnants support and verify this and yet the records now being published and presented to the public  are being rejected and scorned by those who had embraced the  re-written history and now claim that those who are reporting the accurate recorded facts  are regarded as “revisionists ” when much of what we have been taught in our society has been in itself revisionist history. There are revisionists on both sides and one must know how to discern what is fact and what is fiction. There are reliable sources from respectable sources who are now being targeted for scorn , vilification and malignment to silence true history and events.   CURRENTLY , the USA culture is the highest and most advanced anywhere and  am a pro-American patriot but we must make sure we keep historical events in proper , factual and accurate perspectives. There are those who will believe what they WANT to believe because it fits their self serving purposes ( and it’s on both sides ).  I spend every day almost in the library and on the internet and occassionally  speaking to history teachers , professors and searching for information from censored historical archives .  Often we must question what we have been traditionally taught and accepted as factual and ALWAYS  be truthful and accurate as possible. 

  • Jed

     I think this proves how irrational the left is.  I think the secular left is even more irrational than the religious right (generally).  They justify barbarism in the name of “cultural sensitivity” but denounce capital punishment as barbarism.  

    • George

      You’re right Jed , and I’ve been saying this for decades now ,  but if a person is not “politically correct”  according to liberal atheists  and even liberal christians then you or I become publicly villified and maligned . Go figure ! It’s mind-boggling ! 

  • George

          The more I read about horror stories like this the more my blood boils . It is sickening how people around the world who call themselves caring, empathetic and moral can be so silent and not stand up and speak out regarding attrocious behavior as this.    My question is —- Where are the radical feminist voices in America who proclaim to be so concerned about the rights of women ? Aren’t the rights of women in other countries a matter of concern as well ?   Where is the outrage from NOW ( National Organization for Women )  ? Where is the outrage from CWA ( Concerned Women of America ) ?  Where are the voices from all the stinking bible-thumpers who scream their heads off proclaiming LOVE THY NEIGHBOR and pretend to care for humanity ?   Spare me !!!  Now that my family and friends have forsaken me because of my secular beliefs , I don’t give a rat’s rear end and  I have grown stronger in my fight. Sure, I was knocked down but now I have pulled myself up more stronger and I will dedicate the rest of my life speaking out against the attrocious fundamentalist evil known as RELIGION.
                              Go to the internet and check out the video at    [  YouTube –Five Pakistani Women Buried Alive in Group Honor Killing  ].   It’s enough to make you vomit !   Do I sound angry ? Do I sound ticked off ? Do I  sound upset ?  That’s an understatement.  Also a young woman in Pakistan was buried alive because she was heard by a cab driver of talking about marrying someone who her family didn’t approve of .  When her mother begged for her daughter’s life these barbaric a##holes shot her dead and the local cleric approved of it and no one tried to assist her .  Is this the barbaric belief system or culture that we want here in America ? Is this what we as a nation of free people want to evolve into ?
                   These low-life barbaric sicko scumbags are the scourge of the earth. These murderous wackos have got to be stopped in their tracks or we will all suffer and our future freedoms will NEVER exist .  It’s time to fight folks . Guys, grow a set of testicals or perish. 
    Also check out the two books by Brigitte Gabriel by the titles  — [  THEY MUST BE STOPPED : WHY WE MUST DEFEAT RADICAL ISLAM AND HOW WE CAN DO IT  ] ,  and also  [    BECAUSE THEY HATE  :  A SURVIVOR OF ISLAMIC TERROR WARNS AMERICA  ].  Also check out Brigitte Gabriel profile on Wikipedia and please join nd/or support her group  ACT! fo America .  She also founded the American Congress for Truth .   Buy the books folks and spread the word and speak out !    
                          This situation is spreading like wildfire worldwide and we are going to be in big DOO DOO if we don’t get out and stand up and speak out and say publicly — ENOUGH IS ENOUGH  !!!!!      Also let other atheists know about this website The Atheist Conservative.   You will be surprised at how many conservative and libertarian atheists we have out here who will join in and support us.  Get crankin !  These hate-mongering religious fanatic bigots have absolutely NO respect for anyone ( not even themselves ) . They love killing.  They love death and destruction and they actually live for it.  Both Brigitte Gabriel and Jillian Becker are two brave women doing a great service for putting the word out here and it’s up to us to take this information and knowledge and use it to help keep  world society from sinking into the abys of  religious insanity and horror.