Both sides are wrong in Libya 9

There are conflicts in which neither side is worthy of sympathy.

An example from the past is the Afghan Mujahideen versus the Soviet Union. The Western powers decided to give help to the Mujahideen. The result was the victory of the Taliban, the formation of al-Qaeda, and 9/11.

Another example, in the present, is the Libyan civil war in which again both sides are abominable.

This report comes from The Independent:

The killings were pitiless.

They had taken place at a makeshift hospital, in a tent marked clearly with the symbols of the Islamic Crescent. Some of the dead were on stretchers, attached to intravenous drips. Some were on the back of an ambulance that had been shot at. A few were on the ground, seemingly attempting to crawl to safety when the bullets came.

Around 30 men lay decomposing in the heat. Many of them had their hands tied behind their back, either with plastic handcuffs or ropes. One had a scarf stuffed into his mouth. Almost all of the victims were black men. Their bodies had been dumped near the scene of two of the fierce battles between rebel and regime forces in Tripoli.

“Come and see. These are blacks, Africans, hired by Gaddafi, mercenaries,” shouted Ahmed Bin Sabri, lifting the tent flap to show the body of one dead patient, his grey T-shirt stained dark red with blood, the saline pipe running into his arm black with flies. Why had an injured man receiving treatment been executed? Mr Sabri, more a camp follower than a fighter, shrugged. It was seemingly incomprehensible to him that anything wrong had been done.

The corpses were on the grass verges of two large roundabouts between Bab al-Aziziyah, Muammar Gaddafi’s compound stormed by the revolutionaries at the weekend and Abu Salim, a loyalist district which saw three days of ferocious violence. …

It is also the case that the regime has repeatedly unleashed appalling violence on its own people. But the mounting number of deaths of men from sub-Saharan Africa at the hands of the rebels – lynchings in many cases – raises disturbing questions about the opposition administration, the Transitional National Council (TNC) taking over as Libya’s government, and about Western backing for it.

The atrocities have apparently not been confined to Tripoli: Amnesty International [a nasty lefty organization which sometimes inadvertently tells the truth – JB] has reported similar violence in the coastal town of Zawiyah, much of it against men from sub-Saharan Africa who, it has been claimed, were migrant workers. …

Only a few of the dead found at the roundabouts yesterday were in uniform. However, regime forces have often worn civilian clothes during combat in Tripoli. The street-fighting for Abu Salim was particularly fierce with regime snipers taking a steady toll among the ranks of al-Shabaab volunteer fighters. The losses, and frustration at the continuing stubborn resistance by the enemy after an entry into the capital greeted with celebration by residents, has led to something approaching fury among some of the revolutionaries in the last few days.

“They were shooting at us and that is the reason they were killed,” said Mushab Abdullah, a 35-year-old rebel fighter from Misrata, pointing at the bodies. “It had been really tough at Abu Salim, because these mercenaries know that, without Gaddafi to protect them, they are in big trouble. That is why they were fighting so hard.”

His companion, Mohammed Tariq Muthar, counted them off on the fingers of his hand: “We have found mercenaries from Chad, Niger, Mali and Ghana, all with guns. And they took action against us.”

But, if the men had been killed in action, why did they have their hands tied behind their back? “Maybe they were injured, and they had to be brought to this hospital and the handcuffs were to stop them from attacking. And then something went wrong,” suggested Mr Abdullah.

What went wrong and stays wrong is the Arab culture, shaped by the Islamic ideology of cruelty and murder.

The Libyan rebels are no better and no worse than the savage regime they’re replacing.

Ghaddafi’s cruelty has been well documented. Here’s a titbit of information from CNN about a member of his family – what Aline, wife of his son Hannibal, did to their children’s nanny:

One of the staff told us there was a nanny who worked for Hannibal Gadhafi who might speak to us. He said she’d been burnt by Hannibal’s wife, Aline.

I thought he meant perhaps a cigarette stubbed out on her arm. Nothing prepared me for the moment I walked into the room to see Shweyga Mullah.

At first I thought she was wearing a hat and something over her face. Then the awful realization dawned that her entire scalp and face were covered in red wounds and scabs, a mosaic of injuries that rendered her face into a grotesque patchwork.



What do the Western powers expect of this new regime in Libya that they are helping to establish?

If the Europeans are expecting oil, okay, maybe they’ll get it. Libyans must sell oil to survive.

But what is America expecting? Gratitude?  From that blood-thirsty rabble?

Why yes, it seems so.

This is from Investor’s Business Daily:

So the U.S. just spent $1 billion to liberate Libya from terrorist rule only to have Libya’s new rulers thumb their noses at extraditing the Lockerbie bomber? Explain to us again what we’ve been doing in Libya.

Presumably, President Obama’s slapped-together NATO mission to aid Libya’s rebels was to rid that country of its mad-dog dictator, who was a one-man nexus for global terrorism. …

His biggest atrocity was his own: killing 270 innocent people, many of them Americans, in the 1988 bombing of Pan-Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland.

Gadhafi’s on the run now, but his key man on Lockerbie, Abdel Baset al-Megrahi, remains in a wealthy Tripoli neighborhood, incredibly enough because Libya’s new rulers have declared they won’t extradite him abroad to face justice.

“Extradition is what Gadhafi did,” the National Transition Council’s Justice Minister Mohammed al-Alagi said. “We will not give any Libyan citizen to the West.”

That’s some chutzpah coming from someone who’d be just another dead body in the street or a prisoner dangling from a meat hook had NATO not intervened on his behalf with airstrikes, training and aid since March.

It’s even more ungrateful because these rebels have made it clear they expect more military and humanitarian aid from the West.

Libya’s National Transitional Council chair Mustafa Abdul Jalil urged NATO at a meeting Monday in Qatar to continue its air campaign against Gadhafi’s forces. …

But with Libya’s rebels willfully sheltering one of the world’s worst terrorists — the latest report is he’s sick, a ruse Libyan officials used to get him prematurely released from a U.K. prison two years ago — it seems they aren’t interested in creating a new kind of democratic and law-abiding nation and ridding Libya of the taint of terrorism.

Imagine that! Arab rebels including al-Qaeda not interested in democracy and getting rid of terrorism! What a revelation, what a shock!

Is the White House reminding the rebels that the U.S. taxpayers have just shelled out $1 billion to buy their freedom? Or that the U.S. has released several billion in Gadhafi’s oil assets abroad for their use? No.

There were plenty of good reasons to object to the NATO involvement in the Libyan rebellion, and perhaps the main one was that the rebels were an unknown quantity. With this refusal to release the Lockerbie bomber, they’ve shown their colors.

If the Obama administration doesn’t want to be seen as Uncle Sucker, it must make the Libyan rebels face consequences for their ingratitude.

Obama will do that? Oh, sure. Wait for it … … any moment now … …

  • Joszaruba

    Did anyone count the victims in Iraq and Libya? – i think the number will slowly grow higher than in Iraq. Also the world sympathy to Guaddafi is growing more than to Saddam Hussein. Guaddafi is not only a dictator like Stalin or Hussein , he is also a bit of Michael Jackson. 

  • Joszaruba

    The Yugoslavian link to the professional soldiers who were  leading the Guaddafi’s forces is interresting. Guaddafi was a big friend with Josip Brosz Tito, even their countries are in a way simmilar. I believe Libya will also need some more humanitarian bombing after the main dictator will die. 

  • Joszaruba

    I am very curious how will NATO “protect the civilians” in Syrthe, because it will be the biggest genocide of the whole civil war on Guaddafi’s tribe. Will they help the revolutionaries to kill them, or they will fight for a change on the other side?
    The 15000 soldiers Guaddafi army was not in fact an army, they were just as ridiculous as the revolutionaries, say some Yugoslavian soldiers in the Czech paper. They were hired by Guaddafi as generals. The only real forces were the elite forces of his son, many of them still faithful to Guaddafi and protecting his hometown.

  • Anonymous

    What’s the best way America can get out of this?

    Divide and conquer Libya.

    Oh wait, that’s happening in America right now. And our President is the Anti-Commander-In-Chief.

    Well, it was a pretty beautiful century while it lasted…

    • George

      Well Andrew ,  the brainwashed and gullible non-thinking citizenry brought this all upon us. There has been good and bad but we now have an out of control Con Man In Chief at the helm of this ship called America. They wanted CHANGE and most definately CHANGE  it is going to be ( but certainly  NOT the CHANGE they (liberals ) expected . Now the rest of us are going to suffer the consequences of our great nation going down the toilet because lazy, gullible, naive, brainwashed foolish people thought that the Messiah In Chief —-His Majesty Obama was going to wave a magic wand and all will turn to gold.   Imagine Andrew,  our great society going down the toilet because people go through life with mental blinders on and yet they actually believe they are so enlightened.

  • George

    Why do I suspect ( in my opinion ) that we are now being bombarded with religious spam ? Just wondering .

  • Obama is simply continuing the Bush agenda, expanding a failed empire.

  • George

    It’s a game of replacing one group of terrorists with another group of terrorists.  President Otrauma isn’t going to do Jack-doo doo about the situation. President Otrauma is IMO the most anti-American president in the history of America and is in my opinion committing treason, and sedition .  President Otrauma  is selling us out and is capitulating to our open enemies.  Of course the Republicans aren’t much better than the Democrats considering that both are two sides of the same coin and will stab us all in the back for the Almighty OIL deity. They all worship the Lord of Petroleum God.  They all worship the Almighty [ Black Gold ] deity. When it comes to politicians , they don’t give a rats rear end about the people , but only about power, fame and promoting their dubious agendas. The people be damned in their minds.
                   All the horror pictures that we have seen on this website could very well happen here in America if people don’t wake the %$#@ up and vote  President Otrauma out of office next term and get an administration that truly cares about America and the American people.   
                           It’s mind boggling how there is a  primitive and backward culture and society over in the Middle East kicking our butts because we’re trying to fight a PC war which doesn’t work.  We have here in America ICBM’s , cruise missles, jet bombers , jet attack aircraft , a massive fleet of tanks, and heavy weaponry and the most advanced military and munitions systems on earth and yet we allow a  bunch of  7th century religious zealot barbaric throwbacks walk all over us and engage in one terrorist act after another and yet we tolerate it without counter-strikes  and pre-emptive strikes as needed. We’re so concerned about [ colatteral damage ] or [ ” innocent” civilians ] who aren’t actually “innocent” as liberals would have us believe.
                       We have the military might [ for now ] to crush them , but we do not have the will because we have weak and wimpy leadership in the major positions of power.  Wimps and misfits are running our country now.  Inept and unqualified anti-American sellouts are in the seats of power now. Our enemies smell weakness and they are moving forward taking advantage of the stupidity, foolishness, and absurd suicidal mindset of the liberal mindset  leadership we have running our great country now.
                        Eventually people are going to say enough is enough   [ whenever that will be ] and take their ” burried heads out of the sand ” hopefully before it’s too late and we all get anihilated and vanquished. Don’t count on our Con-Man In Chief  [ President Otrauma ] to get the job done —-I won’t be holding my breath.

    • Liz

      Inept and unqualified is right.  It would make a great comedy, like Mr. Magoo drives America (down the tubes), if it weren’t actually happening, which makes it majorly unfunny. They are willfully blind to the monster they are creating by continuing to fund these barbarians with our tax money.  Quoting Sam Harris – “when your enemy has no scruples, your own scruples become another weapon in his hand.”