Stephen Hawking explains the origin of the universe 25

The god who ate the sun

Galileo was almost silenced by the Catholic Church

Albert Einstein saw that mass is energy

How the universe created itself

 

 

(Thanks to our commenter Don L for the link)

  • Don L

    You are right…I have no humulity.  I am proud to be a human respnsible for myself…no pretend entity.  And, faith…what utter crap.  suspend reason and rational thought…certainly not to an individuals benefit.  It is faith in a lie to the benefit of the leaders of the collective. 
     
    Adam…you are a seriously dangerous person and less than the value of  jock strap sweat.  Incapable of self…you are merely waste.
     
    You still miss the time issue, but you will always find a false excuse because to face reality is to recognize that your life is nothing but garbage.  Your values are non-existant as they are based on imaginary garbage.  Your love is the love of a useless leech…incomplete without the destruction of another’s self.  You live in a world of destruction and decay…where being self is sin…
     
    It is impossible for me…a thinking human, an individual… to understand the depth of your depravity that believing in make believe is a better answer than reality. 
     
    Of course, for you…love of something merely because it is, is beyond your capability.  You can only love what completes you as you are a needy selfless piece of crap.  God is all and you are his servant…all things according to god and christ…how sad…yup, millions of loser like you…incapable of standing on your own two feet…”I need you”…suck some winse and eat some bread…not for my sins asshole.  Yo Momma gave you sin sucka! 
     
    And, you have to go to a pep rally every sunday to keep the pretense alive. 
     
    I only need me!   OOh, I just had a church meeting   LOL!
     
    Adam you are a waste of pixels…go suck a god toe or something!
     
    At the end of the day…there is scientific evidence for not a god and there is pure logic and reason for not a god and absolutely no physical evidence or rational concept for a god.  Indeed, that’s why it’s faith…it’s pretend made up junk …and simple minds buy into such crap…that’d be you.
     
     What you fail to comprehend jerk…it isn’t us that needs to prove anything…you do.  That atheists take the time to prove there isn’t a god…you got jacks__t!
     
    god is irrational…you can’t fully comprehend him…LOL…what unadulterated crap…you are truly, as all the faithful…a bag of excrement…useless humanity…wasted on the alter of the christian broadcasting network and milliners for fat ladies!

    • Adam

       The Screwtape Letters – Letter I

      y dear Wormwood,

      I note what you say about guiding your patient’s reading and taking care that he sees
      a good deal of his materialist friend. But are you not being a trifle naif? It sounds as
      if you supposed that argument was the way to keep him out of the Enemy’s clutches. That
      might have been so if he had lived a few centuries earlier. At that time the humans still
      knew pretty well when a thing was proved and when it was not; and if it was proved they
      really believed it. They still connected thinking with doing and were prepared to alter
      their way of life as the result of a chain of reasoning. But what with the weekly press
      and other such weapons, we have largely altered that. Your man has been accustomed, ever
      since he was a boy, to having a dozen incompatible philosophies dancing about together
      inside his head. He doesn’t think of doctrines as primarily “true” or “false,” but as
      “academic” or “practical,” “outworn” or “contemporary,” “conventional” or “ruthless.”
      Jargon, not argument, is your best ally in keeping him from the Church. Don’t waste time
      trying to make him think that materialism is true! Make him think it is strong or stark
      or courageous—that it is the philosophy of the future. That’s the sort of thing he cares
      about
      .

      The trouble about argument is that it moves the whole struggle onto the Enemy’s own
      ground. He can argue too; whereas in really practical propaganda of the kind I am
      suggesting He has been shown for centuries to be greatly the inferior of Our Father
      Below. By the very act of arguing you awake the patient’s reason; and once it is awake,
      who can foresee the result! Even if a particular train of thought can be twisted so as
      to end in our favour, you will find that you have been strengthening in your patient
      the fatal habit of attending to universal issues and withdrawing his attention from the
      stream of immediate sense experiences. Your business is to fix his attention on the
      stream. Teach him to call it “real life” and don’t let him ask what he means by “real.”

      Remember, he is not, like you, a pure spirit. Never having been a human (oh, that
      abominable advantage of the Enemy’s!) you don’t realise how enslaved they are to the
      pressure of the ordinary. I once had a patient, a sound atheist, who used to read in
      the British Museum. One day, as he sat reading, I saw a train of thought in his mind
      beginning to go the wrong way. The Enemy, of course, was at his elbow in a moment.
      Before I knew where I was I saw my twenty years’ work beginning to totter. If I had
      lost my head and begun to attempt a defence by argument, I should have been undone.
      But I was not such a fool. I struck instantly at the part of the man which I had best
      under my control, and suggested that it was just about time he had some lunch. The
      Enemy presumably made the counter-suggestion (you know how one can never quite
      overhear what He says to them?) that this was more important than lunch. At least I
      think that must have been His line, for when I said, “Quite. In fact much too
      important to tackle at the end of a morning,” the patient brightened up considerably;
      and by the time I had added “Much better come back after lunch and go into it with a
      fresh mind,” he was already halfway to the door. Once he was in the street the battle
      was won. I showed him a newsboy shouting the midday paper, and a No. 73 bus going
      past, and before he reached the bottom of the steps I had got into him an unalterable
      conviction that, whatever odd ideas might come into a man’s head when he was shut up
      alone with his books, a healthy dose of “real life” (by which he meant the bus and
      the newsboy) was enough to show him that all “that sort of thing” just couldn’t be
      true. He knew he’d had a narrow escape, and in later years was fond of talking about
      “that inarticulate sense for actuality which is our ultimate safe guard against the
      aberrations of mere logic.” He is now safe in Our Father’s house.

      You begin to see the point? Thanks to processes which we set at work in them
      centuries ago, they find it all but impossible to believe in the unfamiliar while
      the familiar is before their eyes. Keep pressing home on him the ordinariness of
      things. Above all, do not attempt to use science (I mean, the real sciences) as a
      defence against Christianity. They will positively encourage him to think about
      realities he can’t touch and see. There have been sad cases among the modern
      physicists. If he must dabble in science, keep him on economics and sociology;
      don’t let him get away from that invaluable “real life.” But the best of all is
      to let him read no science but to give him a grand general idea that he knows it
      all and that everything he happens to have picked up in casual talk and reading
      is “the results of modern investigation.” Do remember you are there to fuddle
      him. From the way some of you young fiends talk, anyone would suppose it was our
      job to teach
      !

      Your affectionate uncle

      SCREWTAPE

      • Jillian Becker

        Adam – 

        You could go on quoting texts forever. We have read them too. They’re not new to us. They prove nothing. We can quote texts right back at you. Why not just put down your own thoughts? 

        Incidentally, I LOATHE C.S. Lewis. 

        • Adam

          I have and I did. All I hear in reply–except for Liz–are not rational arguments worthy of respect, but crude replies worthy of the trash heap. So far I don’t believe that you and Don have read much of anything. It has caused great pain to hear that my nonexistent children are toothless.

        • Adam

          And I do not doubt at all that you LOATHE quite a few things.

  • Adam Shockey

    Think for myself? At the end of the day your argument is “Stephen Hawking said so.” God and faith are not empirically verifiable, that is why they call it faith. In that sense, yes, God is irrational because rationality is not a god with the ability to analyze and fully comprehend Him.

    That would take faith and humility very little of which you seem to have.

    “For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities— his eternal power and divine nature— have been clearly
    seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.”

    • Liz

      Adam – the thing is, you are using circular reasoning; you are using the Bible to justify the Bible, rather than facts and evidence. Stephen Hawking may not know everything, nobody claims that he does. But the theories he proposes are based on facts that have been proven scientifically. You don’t need faith if you have facts to prove something. That’s what rational thinking is all about. This was not understood back when the Bible was written or when Christianity was first propogated.  Later, when people started thinking more rationally and scientifically and logically, and the fallacies of religious thinking became more and more apparent, the Church began to resist Reason, as in the case of Galileo.  Of course faith was considered a virtue, while Reason was of the devil, and for the same reason humility was a great virtue, too – it kept everyone in humble subjection to Church authority.  The sad thing is, we are now, thanks to the Enlightenment, living in a free country where no-one is forced to be mental slaves to religious mind control, yet so many of us enslave ourselves to it, anyway.

      • Adam Shockey

        Nope, I do not fit into any mold. I am a Christian but I also believe that evolution was the naturally manifested way that God chose to create us. So I will use the same argument with you that I do with my friends who believe in Creationism: the Bible is not meant to be a science textbook. I am not using the Bible to defend the Bible in the empirical sense but in the way it testifies to the spirit within each human being. As far as secular epistemology is concerned, spirit can be defined as our intuition. And we all intuitively know that God exists through His manifestation throughout creation. The tree of knowledge cannot sever itself from the tree of life from which it came without eventually committing suicide.

        I have read the basic literature and have seen the documentaries on Hawking’s theory. In a nutshell, I understand that his view is predicated on the fact that subatomic particles come into and out of existence seemingly at random and without a cause. It was then extrapolated that the universe therefore was created through the explosion and expansion of an infinitely dense singularity that came into existence in the same random fashion and from nothing. In one sense, if you ask me, this as a giant leap from a dying man who is determined to come up with a grandiose “theory of everything” before he dies. Except such a leap is just a theory and impossible to prove. Others believe that this singularity could have come from the collapse of a previous universe (itself just one in an infinite multi-verse) which leads to the untestable hypothesis that God caused the creation of the universe that then collapsed creating the singularity that led to the natural/random singularity of our Universe’s Big Bang. Either way, there is no way that anyone (even Hawking ) can prove or disprove God through the scientific method. In that sense, the most “rational” scientific view is actually agnosticism.

        • Don L

          nonsensical round n round BS…you are incapable of thinking…merely spewing the party line!

      • Don L

        Liz, you are being to nice to this jerk.  He is the Taliban.  Faith is the disease.  They do not believe there is freedom from religion…you must believe.  They cannot see…blind faith to an unknown.  It’s in god’s hands…it is his will…you must believe…after all, he gave his son to save you!

  • Don L

    Schockey…you are apparently unable to think for yourself and can only regurgitate the indoctrination dribble in the book.
     
    And I looked out over the congregation and said…what a bunch of Friggin Fools!

  • Adam Shockey

    “The fool says in his heart there is no God”

    Psalm 14:1

    • Jillian Becker

      The Bible:”It is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies.”

      – Mark Twain

  • Adam Shockey

    Psalm 2
    1 Why do the nations conspire
    and the peoples plot in vain?
    2 The kings of the earth rise up
    and the rulers band together
    against the LORD and against his anointed, saying,
    3 “Let us break their chains
    and throw off their shackles.”
    4 The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
    the Lord scoffs at them.
    5 He rebukes them in his anger
    and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,
    6 “I have installed my king
    on Zion, my holy mountain.”

    LOL

    • Don L

      You have no idea just how stupid you are! 

      Stand up, stand up for jesus…for christ sake don’t sit down!  Mental loser…I believe in air.

  • Adam Shockey

    Actually I’m an independent. Jesus loves you.

    • Don L

      No you’re not.  You as a faith fool are a collectivist and a commie!  Oh…I sure enjoyed his mom!  MMMM good!  Great nights in the manger!

  • Don L

    And you, Mr Shockey, apparently, have the bright light of faith to guide your assements.  Say, here’s another scientific truth for ya…feces float…ah, christ walked on water…
     
    Hey Shockey…your only defense against scientific evidence is name calling…you must be liberal too!  LOL. Let’s see…he proves there is no cause and effect for the big bang…you don’t refute that evidence.  He shows material can and does spontaneously appear…nope, you don’t refute that…you aren’t refuting Einstein’s work about the nature and character of time…
     
    Hmm, all you seem to do is go wa wa wa…must be tears of sadness that you can’t hide your F’d up faith behind the ‘how’d we get here’ stupidity anymore!

    • George

      Absolutely Don.    As you stated before —-  You can’t be rational with the irrational.

      • Don L

        Hi George…

  • Adam Shockey

    With Stephen Hawking’s prounouncement that God was not necessary to create the universe, here we have, to paraphrase C.S. Lewis in The Abolition of Man:”the work of [an] amateur philosopher where [we] expect the work of a professional [scientist].””…A [person] would be annoyed if [his/her] son returned from the dentist with his teeth untouched and his head crammed with the dentist’s [views] on bimetalism or the Baconian theory.”

    • Don L

      Oh, Shockey, forgot…Hawking was your dentist…he not only worked on your teeth…he pulled yours and your kid’s and now your arguments are as toothless as you are!

  • Don L

    Nice.  I’m glad to see the link put up for all. 
    It is impossible to carry on a rational discussion with a theist about god: god is an irrational concept.  One could only apply logic and reason.  Now, thank you Stephen, natural laws have now been shown to refute god, creation and heaven.  It won’t sway the faithful…but there is now an answer to their ultimate desperate query:  If god din’t create the universe…how did we get here?
     
    And, the answer turns out to be because we can be.  There is no cause and effect at work and it is demonstartable and repeatable.  If you watch the videos…you will find that there is just “NO TIME’ for a god…in any universe!  LOL
     
    Oh, george…I behead theists all the time.  When done, I just throw the remains over the wall into my muslim neighbors yard…then there’s never an investigation.
    LOL
     
    DonL

  • Anonymous

    You heard it here first – scientists make better theologians than priests.

  • George

    Ah c’mon folks , we all know  The Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe.  It says so right here in the supermarket tabloid I just bought . You see ,  those in the religious  community have what is known as  FAITH  ( Failure Achieving Intelligent Thought Heredity ).  It’s on page 666 of the New Testament edition of  The National Sinquirer newspaper. Who on earth could ever question that ?