Citizen Cain 37

In Britain the number you dial for emergency services – “police, fire, ambulance” – is 999. In America there is an economic emergency for which help could come from Herman Cain’s 999 plan: 9% tax on business profits, 9% tax on personal income, 9% national sales tax.

We think Herman Cain is impressively rational (although he is a Baptist) and by far the most likable of the Republican candidates for the presidency. The policies he advocates are firmly conservative. Only on foreign affairs he has been weak, obviously under-informed; but he’s doing what he knows he must about that, starting with a recent visit to Israel.

This is from American Thinker:

Generations of career politicians … have bankrupted our country in a slow side toward socialism and the withering of our liberty.

Patriots are clamoring for an individual who, as president, can calmly and confidently reorient this country to the Constitution and fiscal sanity. We the People must nominate the next Republican nominee, even (especially) if it means making an end run around the party establishment to put forth someone who is not of Washington, nor political moderation. We must eliminate candidates who have had a part — large or small — in contributing to the current crisis. That means no Romney, no Huckabee, no Gingrich, no Palin. The boldest statement that can be made is to elect a private citizen president.

Not for Cain is the dialect of programmed candidates controlled by Republican Party hacks or “up-and-coming political stars.” … Cain does not require handlers and consultants. No political consultant would ever tell a candidate to answer a question, to which he cannot truly give an informed answer, as Cain did on a question of national security, “I don’t know all the facts.” … Cain speaks with total self-confidence born of ability and achievement, not the unearned laurels of sycophants.

Cain speaks blunt truths about how far we have fallen from our charters and the necessity to restore them and revere them again. As he recently [said] when refusing to walk back comments about a ban on Muslims in a Cain administration, he only wants “true patriots” around him, committed and dedicated to the Constitution, the Declaration, and the laws of this country. What else matters?

Cain has proven himself again and again as an executive (which, lest anyone forget, is the office he is seeking), willing to begin at ground level and rising to save a company from bankruptcy. He is a scholar, a mathematician (bachelors from Morehouse), and computer scientist (masters from Purdue) who speaks logically and plainly.

We would like to know what our American readers think of Cain as a prospective president; and whether our foreign readers have taken notice of him, and if so what their impressions are.

  • Don L

    Here is the whole of Mr Williams article.  Things we never think about.  The part about the businessman who doesn’t intent to help society vs the businman who does is an interesting (and true) observation.

    03/04/2009Ce qu’on voit, et ce qu’on ne voit pas (Frédéric Bastiat)A characteristically brilliant article by Walter E.Williams on the theme “ce qu’on voit, et ce qu’on ne voit pas” (“what one sees, and what one does not see”,) to use Frédéric Bastiat’s phrase: The idea that even the brightest person or group of bright people, much less the U.S. Congress, can wisely manage an economy has to be the height of arrogance and conceit. Why? It is impossible for anyone to possess the knowledge that would be necessary for such an undertaking. At the risk of boring you, let’s go through a small example that proves such knowledge is impossible.

    Imagine you are trying to understand a system consisting of six elements. That means there would be 30, or n(n-1), possible relationships between these elements. Now suppose each element can be characterized by being either on or off. That means the number of possible relationships among those elements grows to the number 2 raised to the 30th power; that’s well over a billion possible relationships among those six elements. Our economic system consists of billions of different elements that include members of our population, businesses, schools, parcels of land and homes. A list of possible relationships defies imagination and even more so if we include international relationships. Miraculously, there is a tendency for all of these relationships to operate smoothly without congressional meddling. Let’s think about it. The average well-stocked supermarket carries over 60,000 different items. Because those items are so routinely available to us, the fact that it is a near miracle goes unnoticed and unappreciated. Take just one of those items — canned tuna. Pretend that Congress appoints you tuna czar; that’s not totally out of the picture in light of the fact that Congress has recently proposed a car czar for our auto industry. My question to you as tuna czar is: Can you identify and tell us how to organize all of the inputs necessary to get tuna out of the sea and into a supermarket? The most obvious inputs are fishermen, ships, nets, canning factories and trucks. But how do you organize the inputs necessary to build a ship, to provide the fuel, and what about the compass? The trucks need tires, seats and windshields. It is not a stretch of the imagination to suggest that millions of inputs and people cooperate with one another to get canned tuna to your supermarket. But what is the driving force that explains how millions of people manage to cooperate to get 60,000 different items to your supermarket? Most of them don’t give a hoot about you and me, some of them might hate Americans, but they serve us well and they do so voluntarily. The bottom line motivation for the cooperation is people are in it for themselves; they want more profits, wages, interest and rent, or to use today’s silly talk — people are greedy. Adam Smith, the father of economics, captured the essence of this wonderful human cooperation when he said, “He (the businessman) generally, indeed, neither intends to promote the public interest, nor knows how much he is promoting it. … He intends only his own security; and by directing that industry in such a manner as its produce may be of the greatest value, he intends only his own gain.” Adam Smith continues, “He is in this, as in many other cases, led by an invisible hand to promote an end which was no part of his intention. … By pursuing his own interest he frequently promotes that of the society more effectually than when he really intends to promote it.” And later he adds, “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.”If you have doubts about Adam Smith’s prediction, ask yourself which areas of our lives are we the most satisfied and those with most complaints. Would they be profit motivated arenas such supermarkets, video or clothing stores, or be nonprofit motivated government-operated arenas such as public schools, postal delivery or motor vehicle registration? By the way, how many of you would be in favor of Congress running our supermarkets?

  • Don L

    At the risk of appearing” conceited , narcissistic , egotistical — I KNOW EVERYTHING or I’M ALWAYS RIGHT and everybody else is a bunch of DUMMIES mentality”, you know…like a marine…LOL (George this is humor):

    There is other “age old advice” to be considered:  ‘The road to hell is paved with good intentions’.  Cain, I truly believe is a true patriot, intelligent and a successful executive.  But, so have been many who get into politics.  The outcome is till the same: America bankrupt, facing incomprehensible generational debt and an Obama (the domestic enemy) in the White House.

    Again, referencing my previous post, the mathematician trained Cain has applied econometrics (look this up) in devising his 999. This is a method of reducing economical things to a mathematical model in order to manipulate and control the economy. It fails for 2 prima facie reasons: 1) economy things are wholly and singularly human and, like herding cats, cannot be mathematically modeled; and 2) government intervention in the economy is everywhere and always bad!

    Just consider his “fair tax”/sales tax component: 

    (Frederic Bastiat – 1850) Ce qu’on voit, et ce qu’on ne voit pas: “what one sees, and what one does not see”.  Unintended consequences! 

    The luxury tax of the mid 1980’s (geez…30 years ago…ouch)…a sales tax that destroyed many industries (e.g. the yacht business lost to America [unintentionally]- $10s of billions and 100s of 1000s of jobs gone).  9% on 100K…humans have a way of circumventing the laws…the black market is always the real market.  A sales tax is government interferring in the markets determination of value. And, irrespective of a prebate, the lower income earners get hit the hardest (as if gov’t knows how much…only a mathematician would concoct such nonsense).

    The following is from and article by Walter E Williams: “The idea that even the brightest person or group of bright people, much less the U.S. Congress, can wisely manage an economy has to be the height of arrogance and conceit. Why? It is impossible for anyone to possess the knowledge that would be necessary for such an undertaking. At the risk of boring you, let’s go through a small example that proves such knowledge is impossible.

    Imagine you are trying to understand a system consisting of six elements. That means there would be 30, or n(n-1), possible relationships between these elements. Now suppose each element can be characterized by being either on or off. That means the number of possible relationships among those elements grows to the number 2 raised to the 30th power; that’s well over a billion possible relationships among those six elements.”

    So, how are 300 million people going to react to increasing the cost of everything by 9%…hold onto your hats!

    999 is a nice sounding, feel good emotionally unworkable concept…a nice mathematical equation…the first meow destroys its practicality. Oh, almost forgot…taxes…the flat tax is PROVING to be the best everywhere it has been implemented.  There’s no guess work, not on-going gov’t manipulation, no excemptions…period…it works (not that therer should even be a tax…but).

    I agree, Herman does inspire. Unfortunately, he has the same disease as every elitist in the progressive ruling class (an evil symptom is that they never know they have it…like alzheimers)…government central planning.  The fix for America is the candidate that wants to strip government of every hold it has on the economy…which is a hold on our liberty.

    Again, Ron Paul has that understanding…HE ALSO HAS A “PEACE AT ALL COST” MENTALITY THAT WILL GET US KILLED!!!  The Constitution is not a ‘living document’. Neither is it a suicide note!. Some branch of government should have stopped all of the ‘militarist’ excusions.  They didn’t.  But to merely turn one’s back on the consequences of failed ideas and leave a madman with a nuclear weapon…not in my book of acceptable theories.  Paul is as ideological on this as Obama on redistribution.

    So…who’s left?  Perry, phew…just look at him…he doesn’t want to be president…he wants to be Lord and Master. His executive order to have all those kids injected… that’s a totalitarian, Obama-like, attitude.  It may have made many ‘feel good’, but what a precedent.

    The guy who was the ambassador to china…he’s a hardcore New england progressive in the Bush vain.

    Bachman has done well restraining her christianity except for the religion foisted abortion issue (fed government has no business in this issue). I think her tax background and her rid gov’t of regulation (especially Obamacare) is good!

    Gary Johnson’s cost benefit analysis methodolgy is great…I’d like to hear more from him on his Iran/Iraq/Afghan thinking…but otherwise he is right on on economics.

    Romney…a bag of air covered with hair…he is a continuation of the same ol’, same ol’ establishment republican. 

    The Pennsylvania pastor is not even a consideration.

    Good ol’ Newt (what were his parents thinking…Newt?).  I’m too tired of typing now to get into him…but I lean toward him a bit more than the others. 

    It’s a weigh the components thing.

    Anyway, Bachman, Jones and Newt (slightly ahead) are who I’m watching.

    More later (fair warning).

    LOL.

    • George

      Don , no one is arguing your sources and we all welcome them and we like the idea of being presented with more and more informative information. But you started this mess from the get-go by coming onto the discussion forum calling everyone a bunch   BITCHES and BITCHETTES   and I was indeed offended by it and so was Jillian Becker and others as well.  And , no I am not being hyper-sensitive . I am open to information from anyone and everyone ( including you ).  I would suggest the next time that you want people to be attentive to your message , try not to start out by attacking and insulting them first.   So as not to rehash  something that’s  “water under the bridge”  let’s move on to the important things so that we ALL can get our heads together and pull together for the best interest of us all.    I’m very attentive to all that is posted here on the discussion forum but I am NOT going to “jump the gun”  and form an immediate view until I have studied all points and information thouroughly in order  to make a truly informed decision. It’s only sensible and  fair !

  • GTChristie

    At least DonL’s sources are good. His focused collection of “Austrian School” extracts does all of us a good service.  Based on the rhetorical style I see from Don in this thread, I expected a collection of wild-eyed polemics — but no. So I’d say, Don, you undercut your good points at times with a tendency to excess. Your defense seems to rely on the merits of attention-getting, and you might have a point. Strong statements do engage the reader. But the same things could be said just as powerfully — perhaps even more powerfully — without the rougher edges which can alienate the audience, rather than merely challenge them (us) to investigate your point of view. I almost didn’t go to your website, but now I’m glad I did. 

    • Don L

      Thank you!

      I have taken Jillian’s, and now your comments to heart.  I’ve been burning midnight oil to eliminate “grumpy” from the site. (send me an e-mail from the site and I’ll let you know when the nicer version is up…I’d really like your feed back.

      Excess…it’s the medical thing that keeps me pen’d up….my normal state of mind is GRRR! & Arghhh!   LOL

      Just tossing this out (whoops no pun intended)…but if one were drowning, would one refuse the life preserver just because it wasn’t tosse right?

      Again, thanks for your nice comments and sorry for the gruffness!

      Don L

      • George

        I will also pass on your information to others as well.

      • Jillian Becker

        We’re happy to receive your help, Don L, however it is tossed to us. 

        Thanks for your graceful apology, warmly accepted. 

        I’ll re-visit your site  when you give the word.  

  • I like Herman Cain.  My guess is that Barack Obama is still an agnostic in his heart, but I would much prefer Cain as president.  On Cain’s 9-9-9 plan:  I have no idea whether it would work, and some here obviously think not, but it does one thing that I have wanted to see done for a while.  By splitting the federal revenue stream into three, he is able to keep the rates for each tax low.  That encourages compliance.  Corporations, at least, may even divert resources from evading the IRS and invest them in new ideas, products, etc.

    • George

      I’m studying this entire fiasco more and more and still have not made my decision yet as I do not want to “jump the gun” and cast a vote from some emotional feeling but to be totally logical in chosing.   One thing  is for sure and that is we cannot afford another term of OBAMA !   I’ll reserve comment until I continue to research further and study this matter and all sides more thouroughly and  I’ll just leave it at that.

      • Keith

        I have been following Herman Cain for years through his radio program and found him to be a decent man of common sense. He is also a proponent of the Fair Tax. His 9-9-9 plan is his way of easing the country into the Fair tax. 

        Mr. Cain also believes in American exceptional-ism. Whether we are the greatest country in the world or not I see nothing wrong with wanting to be and I see no reason to apologize for trying to be.

        I believe that with Mr. Cain we will get what we see as he is all out there and not pretending to be something he isn’t.

        Also, Cain hasn’t made public service his livelihood. He has had jobs in the private sector and run businesses. 

        He is weak in foreign policy but I believe he will always put America’s best interest first regardless of how the rest of the world feels. I believe that he has the ability to restore the rest of the world’s confidence in the USA.

        I also like that the front runner status wasn’t bestowed upon him. In fact it was reluctantly given to him after he kicked the golden boys asses in Florida. I am so tired of the left wing media proclaiming who the republican candidate should be, that’s how we ended up with McCain and as a result Obama.

        It is still early yet with plenty of campaigning to go but I think that as long as Cain sticks to conservatism his message will ring true to many.

        • George

          I agree Keith.  I am not an expert on the 9-9-9 plan as Don aluded to  and Cain  like all the Repubs are hardcore christians but he will get the nation back on  its  feet. Also , pardon me for saying , but he  may be just the ticket to restore confidence in the voting public for electing an ethnic minority for what that scumbag Obama has done to the image. That doesn’t matter but people today are so superficial and many cast their votes NOT for the  person  more qualified but for someone who pushes their agenda or one of their own.   It’s sad but so true.

  • born again pagan

    I’ve read through the comments so far and even though a bit more confrontational than usual here….dialogue is needed  and valued. In my  humble opinion, Jillian B is the hardest working woman in the blogosphere. I remain even more impressed as I imagine her face to face with Hayek and Friedman.

    I LOVE Ron Paul’s undaunted Libertarian stance and feel his position on monetary reform may be the most clarion for addressing what truly enslaves us all. However, I worry that “leaving the mid east conflict alone” may be impossible at this point in time. But isn’t  this the same man that wanted covert action taken with Bin Laden immediatly after 9/11. We will NEVER win hearts and minds by donating limbs of our youth to Islam or likely by any other measure there. And our battles rage here.

    Yes, I could likely vote for Genghis Kahn if running against Obama, but I’m looking for something radically more prescient. While some may be able to overlook the overt religiousity of a candidate, I really don’t wish to trade a Socialist for a Theocratic conservative.

    • George

      In one respect I  agree with your sentiments and in another there is indeed a delema .   I don’t want either , so we must indeed make a choice.  If we vote for Obama , he will indeed turn our nation more and more into a socialist nation and destroy free enterprise. free speecah and further his Big Brother agenda. If we vote for a conservative Republican candidate then he will indeed push a pro-christian theocratic agenda and try to turn the nation into a christian theocracy if  he/she could get away with it. So we indeed find ourselves caught between a “rock and a hard place ”  choice.    At this time I will reserve making a choice until I study the candidates more and more. As I stated on a earlier post —everytime I think  I  have fonund the candidate I like ,  I find something startling revealed that I didn’t know , so  I’m not going to “jump the gun” at this time and I’ll   “weigh”   the situation  more thouroughly to make a more informed decision.  

  • Don L

    Cain is employing a little known theory of economics called ‘econimetrics’ in the construction of his 999; he explained this during the debate.  IT will not work.  It sounds good but it has been done before and failed.  Developed, initially, by the French economist Cournot, further enhanced  by economists Walras, Pareto and Pantaleoni: they are all hard core socialists and it is the worst of the central planning economic theories.
     
    It professes to reduce all things economic to exact empiral measurement.  This is crap!  Please note that for all their indexes…no mainstream economist has ever been correct on any prediction nor been able to see any economic downturn on the horizon.  Economics is a social (human being) function.  It cannot be measured because human beings make choices and that cannot be reduced to numbers.
     
    The above article is typical crap.  America is on its knees because all you lazy SOBs and SOBettes are totally ignorant of economic principles.  All the article dicsusses as to qualification is platitudes and feel good emotional guess work!  That has gotten us bankrupt, facing generational debt and an Obama. 
     
    Again, my website is teapartyeconomics.com.  Go there and download the 10-pack of small pamhlets and booklets.  They will not make you an economist…better, they will make you right.  You will be exposed to a way of ‘seeing’ things economic in a new way.  You will understand how ludicrous the above candidate analysis is.  Cain is in fact a socialist and a central planner.  It all sounds good…it is no different than what’s been going on for 75+ years!
     
     You say you are too busy to read?  Then, don’t say you’re a responsible American! 

    Incidentally, the only candidate that advocates real economic change is Ron Paul.  Refreatably, his extreme libertarian pacifism disqualifies him.  Irrespective of whether America caused a I’manutjobabad in Iran…Paul would allow him a nuke.  Reasonable people would not take that risk.  He will invite aggression, like Chambelain before WWII.

    teapartyeconomics.com : Learn to make your vbote count based on knowledge, not feel good ignorance! 
     
     
     
      

    • Don L

      I forgot Gary Johnson.  I have actually met and spoken with him.  He is good.  He is not an extreme pacifist, but his stance on Iran is somewhat fishy.

      Next is Bachman…another F’n Christian…but her economics are close to corect…atleast she will get Obamacare ousted!!!  Gingrich has eased up on his central planning…

      Perry wants to be Lord and Master and Roney is empty hair and establishment Republican. 

      Don L

    • Jillian Becker

      Thank you, Don L, for your comment. We invited our readers to say what they think of Cain, and are glad you’ve done that. We don’t see what it is about the  article that makes us “SOBs and SOBettes”. We are not too lazy or too busy to read. We are grateful for the information you have given us, and we’ll have a look at your pamphlets and small books, being always eager to learn. We’ve learnt most of what we know from the Scottish-Austrian School. I had the honor of being an invited guest at Hayek’s 80th birthday party in one of the magnificent guildhalls of London. (He spoke for an hour and forty-minutes and it felt as if barely half an hour had gone by.) I was also acquainted with Milton Friedman, the man as well as his works. I agree with you about Ron Paul’s sound economics sense, and I like what I know of his domestic policies. I agree with you too about his foreign policy – “never do anything” is what it amounts to. It is absurd and dangerous. Worst of all, he is  infected with the disease of anti-Semitism.We are not entirely ignorant, and ignorance does not make us feel good. I’ll maybe answer you again when I’ve visited your website. 

      • Don L

        Ah…nice to hear from you.  Wow, wonderful experiences!  I only came across Austrian economics 4 years ago.  An eye opening concept.

        The SOB & SOBettes comment may have been strong and wrong…however, it finally got a response from someone (I’ve tried to get economics included into conversation on the site on many occasions…deaf ears(?).  When I read many of the posts on the site I recognize, again,  how little, or completely ignorant of, many site participants/Americans are about economics.  I was one too.

        The Cain article was maddening to me.  It discussed the same old same old nonsense as to qualifications.  No comment actually addressed the nuts ‘n bolts of 999.  Cain’s comment on econometrics was apparently of no interest to anyone.  Replies to the article’ likewise, reflected a disregard for economics.  Again, having repeatedly invited site participants to the 10-pack; and, then to read their comments reflecting a decision to vote for someone based on typical ‘feel good’ nonsense ( he was an executive, he isn’t a politician, his plan ‘sonds’ good, etceteras) was infuriating.  The man is a socialist central planner.  Maybe he means well, but the outcome of his plan will be more of the same economic disasters we have endured since FDR!

        Other than leading a parade, attending a funeral, throwing out the first pitch and likewise…everything an elected official does impacts the economy and the vast majority of Americans totally ignore, worse they are repulsed by, economics. Do Americans go to the polls and purposefully vote for candidates who once in office will enact laws to destroy America?  No? Wow, that’s interesting, because, both parties, that’s what the ones in office have done!  So, when I see economic ignorance in my face…I see red…I see Americans who pretend they know enough and when confronted with ‘learning’ decline the invite.  To me…SOBs & SOBettes.  They’re the ones electing the rulers! Jillian, so far, you are the exception, but it took you awhile! “we are not too lazy…”, you are only, at this time, speaking for yourself.

        Milton Friedman meant good.  He dumped most of the Keynesian nonsense and talked of free enterprise.  Yet, his belief that a managed monetary system was good was anti-constitutional and anti-capitalisic. The Austrian business cycle has yet to be refuted and it demonstartes the managed monetary system is in fact the cause of economic downturns.  The arrogance of thinking you can supplant a market’s determinism for one’s own is the height of elitist ruling class thinking.  It’s wrong, but they believe it anyway…like christians.

        I have asked on this site, in conjunction with my calls to an economics learning experience, what is it that a conservative atheist is conserving?  Have yet to get an answer.  Can’t be the “social’ conseravative stuff loaded with christian collectivism.  Can’t be current economic theories since none work…haven’t worked…can’t work. 

        Enough…Ah, be advised, I was bed-ridden for just over a year and did not know HTML (how to build a site before)…the site is rough, but the material is still valuable.  Incidentally, the 1983 novel (“Pictures Of A Socialistic Future”) is amazing: written before any country ever adopted socialism…you’d swear you were in Nazi Germany or the USSR, 30 years in the future.

        Don L

        • Jillian Becker

          Don L – 

          Taken us a while to declare ourselves for the free market? We have been going since mid-2008 and have been consistently and emphatically pro-free market in all that time. 

          How are we conservative? As we have often written, our principles are the core principles of conservatism: individual freedom, the free market, small government, low taxes, strong defense. We don’t think it is necessary to be religious in order to believe in these principles. 

          Please clarify  – how can a 1983 novel be said to have been written before any country ever adopted socialism? 

          And now if you will brace yourself I’d like to offer some friendly criticism of your site. I am acquainted with much but not all the content of the booklets, and I agree with your opinions. BUT: the website personality comes across as irritable, impatient, aggressive. It belittles any reader, even a reader who has come to it in agreement with its views. It talks to one as a grumpy schoolteacher exasperated by a class of inattentive kids. They will learn nothing from such a teacher. Economics is often called “the dismal science”, and it usually elicits boredom among those who are not positive enthusiasts. You are highly emotional about it. I understand that one can and should feel strongly against the horrors of socialism, the ignorance of economics that characterize socialists, and the disastrous policies they implement whenever and wherever  they are in power. And it is a good thing to spread knowledge, as you are doing. But knowledge must be imparted as a gift, not as a blow.

          You are a valuable commenter on our site. Please don’t shout at us. We are listening to you.

      • George

        Hi Jillian . I actually like Don  but today I must  say he’s acting IMO like hes having a bought with male PMS or something.  If I had a website and I wanted people to check out my website and read my commentaries and information  , I certainly wouldn’t start out by calling them a bunch of SON OF BITCHES or SON OF BITCHETTES  and then dictating that they  ” GO LEARN SOMETHING” .  That type of attitude is going to have a reverse effect  and be a “turn off “.  I hate it when I encounter people who have this conceited , narcissistic , egotistical  — I KNOW EVERYTHING   or I’M ALLWAYS RIGHT and everybody is is a bunch of DUMMIES mentality . With that type of attitude , I’ll just continue to be a SOB and wallow in my own “ignorance” .   There is an old saying —   ” You can attract more bees with honey than you can with vinegar”. Apparently both conservatives as well as liberals need to take heed to that age old advice . It works.  And NO  , I’m not being overly-sensitive about this but I am indeed pointing out the obvious and being totally honest.

      • Don L

        Hi Again Jillian,

        First, from the Mises Store description page for the ‘Pictures Of A Socialistic Future”:  “…that this was written before any country actually experienced the total state is astonishing.”.  Well, I took their word for it.  The Soviet Union, Mussolini and Hitler’s Nazi State were yet to be established. Socialism, in the 1890s was being praised, In the US Teddy Roosevelt was getting the Progressive party underway, but I’m not aware (haven’t really researched it) a country had actually implemented it?

        Now, grumpy old school teacher…LOL…and that’s the tamed down version!  I thought Thinking American was better than one iteration of You Stupid Ignorant Fools…LOL.  Anyway…No offense taken.  I had not heard the expression “the dismal science”.  I truly believe we have been conditioned that way; like Pavlov’s dogs.  The Keynesian and monetarism stuff is incoherent and incomplete…but foisted by the union-controlled, politically-influenced, compulsory-indoctrination schooling system.  The ruling class doesn’t want us to know about economics…its only for experts.  Austrian economics blew my mind.  Logical and, holy cow, it works!  And, the more that are exposed to it…the less power thee rulers have.

        I sorta came to the , I call it, negative sell, because I apparently hadn’t hit on any positive communication to get a response.  In eye ball -to- eye ball I could pull it off better…atleast I had  favorable responses and “thanks for getting me to read it”-like comments.

        Yeah, I’m totally emotionally involved.  That I was pretty much immobilized for so long…I also got a bit stir crazy…heck, insane is probably a better description!  LOL.

        And, I’ve never been a patient sort:  Patience hell…I wanna kill somthing.

        I have taken your criticism in the constructive sense and I’m trying to figure out some “hey it’s wonderful” approach. But, I don’t like people that much anyway so…my attitude is take it or leave it, but know you’re the reason nothing works…you ignorant fool…LOL.  I’m actually laughing at this. 

        Oh, do you think it wrong to ask the three questions?  Candidly, 4 years ago I couldn’t answer them.  And they are totally basic.  I’m frustrated on how to get folks to understand that if they can’t answer them…they really have no basis for evaluating a candidate and that is how we got here.  Or, am I wrong on that?  Or, have any ideas?

        Lastly, it was good to hear your “conservation” reply.  I had asked the question any number of times without response.  In fact, I think Georege even asked the question once on my behalf.  And, I totally agree with your answer!!!  I don’t see every post or subject…but the predominance seemed only the atheist side of the story.

        Again, thanks for input…oh, yes let folks know I’m a nasty old grumpy guy…but also recommend the books, the source my suck, but the content is good…please!  Thanks.

        Don L

        • Don L

          I totally got it typed wrong…not 1983…I meant to type 1893!

        • Jillian Becker

          Your three questions are good. Only please ask people to consider them, don’t mock them in advance for possibly not doing it. 

          We wish you well in every way. We are fellow enthusiasts for von Mises, Hayek et al. Don’t forget Bohm-Bawerk (I can’t put in the umlaut on Bohm). 

          I’ll read “Pictures of a Socialistic Future” on your recommendation. In turn I recommend to you “The Red Prussian” by Leopold Schwartzkopf. It is a devastating portrait of Karl Marx. I suggest it for your pleasure, not because I think you might disagree with it!  

    • Jillian Becker

      Thank you, Don L, for your comment. We invited our readers to say what they think of Cain, and are glad you’ve done that. We don’t see what it is about the  article that makes us “SOBs and SOBettes”. We are not too lazy or too busy to read. We are grateful for the information you have given us, and we’ll have a look at your pamphlets and small books, being always eager to learn. We’ve learnt most of what we know from the Scottish-Austrian School. I had the honor of being an invited guest at Hayek’s 80th birthday party in one of the magnificent guildhalls of London. (He spoke for an hour and forty-minutes and it felt as if barely half an hour had gone by.) I was also acquainted with Milton Friedman, the man as well as his works. I agree with you about Ron Paul’s sound economics sense, and I like what I know of his domestic policies. I agree with you too about his foreign policy – “never do anything” is what it amounts to. It is absurd and dangerous. Worst of all, he is  infected with the disease of anti-Semitism.We are not entirely ignorant, and ignorance does not make us feel good. I’ll maybe answer you again when I’ve visited your website. 

    • George

      Don , I have heard of  this 999 strategy before and I discussed it with a conservative friend and the discussion was informative.   As you have stated , that’s how Obama got elected by people listening to emotionally  driven rhetoric that had no true positive substance.   I’m also a member of Tea Party and although I  only attended one  rally  (  I joined anyway ). I was the only ethnic minority standing in the entire crowd and even though they pushed the “GOD” agenda , there was no racism whatsoever.  
              There are indeed reservations regarding the article above that you have pointed out and I agree.   My question to you is —- Who are you referring to by the statement  :   ”  America is on it’s knees because all you lazy SOB’s  and SOBettes are totally ignorant of economic principles ”   ?  Are you refering to the posters , or voters or who ?    Who is the “All” ?  Do I recall someone at an earlier post commenting about my anger and frustration ?
                                 I personally am on this website to gather info, exchange ideas,  engage in civil discourse ,  discuss issues and problems and even offer my “2 cents” viewpoint.  I will check out that website that you posted .   I personally welcome any and all info that can offer me information and valuable knowledge which I’m certain we will never get in the mainstream media and society at large.

      • Don L

        Hi George
         
        generic all…However, George, I have actually invited you to visit my site sevral times over the past months.  Indeed, had you taken advantage of the offer and perused the info…you’d have found out about econometrics on page 8 of the 4th item “Essentials Of Economics” by Faustino Ballvé.  And, I wouuld suspect your posting would have been different…armed with such knowledge.  But, you never took the invite and you didn’t look at the material.

        You and I had the same experience as to attending a rally.  Fortunately, most Tea Party Sites (and even Sarah Palin and Michell Bachman…to the extent believers can) are adhering to the movements restricted and limited objectives:  Constitutionally limited government,  tax reform and implementation of free market capitalism.  Of course, it is my contention, that unless partiers actually know what free market capitalism is…they will be conviced it exists when it doesn’t and the principle of “…consent of the governed” will be made meaningless.  Oh, they don’t, they have, it doesn’t and hopefully, it’s not too late!

        Anyway…my intent was not to insult but to stimulate…And, that seems to have worked.  So, if upset…sorry.  Now, go learn something.

        And, have you ever noticed, you put your 2 cents in, but they only give you a penny for your thoughts!

        Don L

        • George

          Don  , I won’t deny that you may have made an invite to me regarding your website in the past and I apparently either overlooked or forgot of such .   But having said that , I don’t want to sound nit-picky but you’re coming across rather vehemently arrogant  IMO  making comments such as — ” Now go learn something ” .
                      That type of attitude is NOT going to stimulate but rather drive people away.  I can handle anything people throw at me , as I have spent nearly 40 years of my life in some type of uniform in variations as a dedicated American patriot. I know at times I come across as very aggressive but only when I have  have been subjected to any ad hominem attack upon me personally or upon my being an atheist of which I strongly go on the defensive and proudly so. 
                     People also know ( from this site ) that when I am wrong I readily admit such and apologize.   You’re not going to win friends over to you by throwing stones at the very people you’re trying to attract.  You should indeed assert yourself , and be to the point ,  but today you’re acting like you woke up on the wrong side of the bed or something. Holy crap !  Take a chill pill dude , calm down and have a beer. It’s not the end of the world—not yet at least.  Take care and enjoy your Bar-B-Q .  

    • George

      Don , I have heard of  this 999 strategy before and I discussed it with a conservative friend and the discussion was informative.   As you have stated , that’s how Obama got elected by people listening to emotionally  driven rhetoric that had no true positive substance.   I’m also a member of Tea Party and although I  only attended one  rally  (  I joined anyway ). I was the only ethnic minority standing in the entire crowd and even though they pushed the “GOD” agenda , there was no racism whatsoever.  
              There are indeed reservations regarding the article above that you have pointed out and I agree.   My question to you is —- Who are you referring to by the statement  :   ”  America is on it’s knees because all you lazy SOB’s  and SOBettes are totally ignorant of economic principles ”   ?  Are you refering to the posters , or voters or who ?    Who is the “All” ?  Do I recall someone at an earlier post commenting about my anger and frustration ?
                                 I personally am on this website to gather info, exchange ideas,  engage in civil discourse ,  discuss issues and problems and even offer my “2 cents” viewpoint.  I will check out that website that you posted .   I personally welcome any and all info that can offer me information and valuable knowledge which I’m certain we will never get in the mainstream media and society at large.

  • GUEST

    cain is anti-abortion: http://www.lifenews.com/2011/06/18/herman-cain-reaffirms-pro-life-view-after-not-siging-pledge/

    he wants to turn america into a “god-fearing christian nation”: http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2011/01/27/herman-cain-campaigns-for-theocracy/

    he is not going to be a friend of atheist: http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/2012-election/presidential-candidate-herman-cain-boasts-im-ignorant-about-atheism

    and his claim that he’ll only sign bills that are no longer than 3
    pages?  sounds great for a slogan, but is even less credible that george
    bush’s “read my lips: no new taxes!”

    • George

      I heard Cain on the radio several times and he is a pro-Christian agenda driven political pundit IMHO.   Whoever runs that gets my vote  ( if I do ) will be the lesser of the total “evils” .  None of the candidates do I trust 100% because as soon as I get comfortable with one, I find some unknown “dirt” or agenda that worries me.   Right now I find myself doing a”juggling act ” to decide who I can put up with the most and who will do the least of harm.   One thing is for sure and that is we CANNOT trust the mainstream media to give us factual and unbiased news and information. Of course my previous post regarding voting for Pat Robertson was only joking sarcastic humor.   The society is so misinformed and hoodwinked overwhelmingly and I am simply not going to “jump” to a decision based on propaganda on either side until I have massively analysized this situation in further depth so that I can make a truly informed and wise choice ( and even that is NOT a guaranteed certainty ).  

  • Anonymous

    There are many good videos of Cain on YouTube, among the best where he was schooling Bill Clinton in a Town Hall type forum way back in 1994!!  Priceless.

  • Hochuli’s Biceps

    Reason Magazine evaluates Cain’s “9-9-9” tax plan:

    http://reason.com/blog/2011/09/23/why-9-9-9-is-even-worse-than-h

    They’re not too impressed.

    And yes, Cain is a long-shot to receive the Republican nomination.

  • Ralph

    There is no perfect candidate. All of them must pander to religion. They all have what I consider to be weak points. From what I’ve read so far Cain seems to be the best choice. That choice is subject to change.

  • Anonymous

    Herman Cain and Gary Johnson are my favorite two candidates so far, and I don’t feel we would go wrong with nominating either of them. I readily concede that while the latter agrees more strongly with my political views, the former is much more electable in no small part to his head-turning victory in the Presidency 5 poll.

    Some time back, Cain issued an apology to Muslims for his talking points on their endless, merciless jihad [ http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/herman-cain-apologizes-to-muslims.php ]. He also appeared ignorant about the Palestinian Right of Return to Israeli territory, though I contend that he gave a strong response in spite of this [ http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/06/01/136586652/herman-cain-wasnt-able-on-palestinian-right-of-return-question ]. Judging from his recent activity and statements, it seems like he is wising up on these matters.

    These are small speed bumps on what I foresee to be an illustrious, if not successful, presidential campaign for Cain. I like that he is a businessman who understands the language of profits and losses, giving me increased confidence that he will not kowtow to Democratic (or Republican!) big-stimulus bull bills. While he is also a Baptist and certainly no friend of atheism [ http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/2012-election/presidential-candidate-herman-cain-boasts-im-ignorant-about-atheism ], he also said “the role of Islam in America is for those that believe in Islam to practice it and leave us alone. Just like Christianity” [ http://weaselzippers.us/2011/03/27/herman-cain-i-would-not-appoint-a-muslim-in-my-administration/ ]. Strangely enough, this makes me trust him more.

    Overall, I find it hard to recommend any other candidate over Cain. He is a well-rounded, articulate, issue-driven conservative with a strong fiscal compass and a slightly weaker moral compass, and he doesn’t miss out on the electability bit.

  • George

    I like  Cain regarding his sensible points on straightening out the financial and political mess that  America is in.  I’ve heard him on the radio talk shows several times. However,  Cain is still a pro-Christian promoter of  the  “religious right ” agenda IMO.  I do not see him IMO favorable to secular freethinkers . Again , I also don’t see  Cain addressing the terrosist situation to any significant degree and the Islamic jihadists threat and what will he do regarding the problem with the massive numbers of illegal aliens flooding into America from Mexico ( and some other nations as well ) ?  What will Cain do regarding the three war conflicts we are currently in right now   ( Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria ) ?    The liberals push their Pro-abortion feminist agenda and the religious right has NO leeway on the issue at all  ( yet both claim  to be right and claim the other side is wrong and both sides are ignorant on the matter ). 
                      The religious right has virtually hijacked the Republican  Party  and the liberal left secularists have virtually hijacked the secular freethought  society as a whole.  So now we find ourselves caught in a delema of being “between a rock and a hard place ” trying to figure out in deciding who will best represent us as secular freethinkers.  Whether we like it or not , the fact of the matter will be deciding the lesser of the evils because NONE  of the candidates ( including Wayne Root ) the Libertarian candidate has said anything ( which I have heard ) favorable toward  atheists.   This leaves the 50 million dollar question .  Who do we chose then ?  Who will speak  in our best interest and not push a Christian agenda on all of America and not try to turn America into a  Christian theocracy ?
       Who will be fair and equitable ?  Who will be open minded and sensible ?  Who will represent the best interests of ALL the American citizens fairly instead of simply promoting THEIR special interest agenda ? When I have these questions answered , then I will make my decision on who I will vote for.  As  for now I’m still at a “toss up ” and still analyzing the entire situation to come to an informed rational decision if any.

  • GTChristie

    This week Cain won the Florida CPAC “President 5” straw poll which was heavily influenced by Tea Party inclined attendees, so maybe there’s something to him. The problem with the field of potential Republican prez nominees is not that too many are one-dimensional Tea Party favorites, but that nobody seems to meet all the Republican litmus tests … good on fiscal policy, bad on immigration. Good on foreign policy, bad on abortion. Etc. It seems there is a round hole called “Republican positions” and every candidate has at least one square side.

  • Frank

    A well made case for supporting Herman Cain. I will have to consider it.

    • George

      Hi Frank !  If the final decision of the two opposing candidates up for election is Cain and Obama —————–  Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm  , let’s see ………………ha ha     , that’s a NO BRAINER.  Cain gets my vote .