The Mahdi is coming 33

If you like pictures of flowers opening, have a high boredom threshold, can stand monotonous religious chants and the intoning of nonsense, and would be amused to catch a glimpse of Nancy Reagan as an evil Freemason, this is the video for you.

Posted under Iran, Islam, jihad, Muslims, Videos by Jillian Becker on Monday, February 6, 2012

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  • George

    In reply to TIM .  
     
     
    ( I was unable to post  under your last  ).  
     
     
                              Tim ,  it wasn’t me who made any insult to you whatsoever  on this site ( in fact I clearly stated that I would not engage in such whatsoever ) and now you’re making the  general stereotype of  —– ” You guys need to practice what you preach”.    Nothing I have stated was directed at you in any way and I made that perfectly clear.      If you have a beef with another poster on here then be specific with that individual only. I merely pointed out in general the things I personally have experienced as a secularist  which I shared with you.    There are quite a number of atheists that even I DO NOT associate with because of their attitudes and there are quite a number of Christians that I am very close to because they treat me better than  some arrogant a**  atheists ( both liberal and conservative ).   You’re right about not all religions are the same and you’re also right when you say the jihadist or mahidist movement is what is the most world threatening today.  When I spoke of imposing beliefs as I mentioned  previously , that was NOT directed at you , so please don’t take your frustration out on me  when I said  NOTHING offensive to you just because someone else has said something that was offending  you.  I haven’t checked out your website yet but it sounds interesting and I would like to .    I have heard some Christians speak out against mean-spirited religionists and even I have spoken out against some real jerk-off secularists .   You’re welcome to post here anytime but direct your complaint please at whatever specific individual ( or individuals ) that have  made any ad hominem attack upon you ( it certainly hasn’t been me ).  In fact I actually welcome a lot of the info that you have posted even though you and I share different beliefs . My personal comments were a recount of many horror episodes I have been through and once again , it has NOTHING to do with you . I was a member of numerous secular organizations and now I am a member of NONE because I am just as fed up with the attitudes of many jerk secularists as I am theological zealots.   I may even e-mail you on your website ( but I won’t make any promises ). I have gone on Christian sites under a pseudonym and got attacked viciously ( and this also has nothing to do with you and I’m not going there ).     While I don’t embrace the beliefs of the Christian church , I must admit in all honesty , in spite of all the bad experiences I have experienced by theologians ( and those  are the zealot fundamentalists ) I have  also been treated better from a social aspect as a whole overall by my Christian friends than I have by a number of fellow  atheists. Just as I found out the hard way that there are some Christians I can’t trust ,  I also found out the hard way that there are some atheists  (  secular freethinkers  ) that I cannot trust and atheists hate it when I   “air this dirty laundry”   which is totally true.  I do believe you and  I can share some valuable information together  , especially in regards to standing up to the enchroaching sharia law and jihad movement and the widespread acts of terrorism going on around the world. The world is getting to be more and more a dangerous place to live and people the world over had better put aside their petty differences for our very survival. Do you agree ?   It’s a crazy world out there man and it’s getting worse by the day.   I don’t have the answers but I wish people who care would put their heads together and engage in action and deeds  instead of mere lip service or talk ( again—-I’m speaking in general ) to make truly effective changes.   I’m open for suggestions as we are all Americans in spite of our different beliefs and we need to get this show on the road before we all get anihilated . This situation is real and it’s getting worse. Oh , by the way I appreciate that last bit of info you sent as I heard bits and pieces of that but nothing to that extent .    Keep the info coming as we need all we can get .  We have hotheads on both sides of the fence and at times I have to even catch  myself because of all the frustration and abuse I’ve been through . I do not attend any of the secular group meetings anymore because they have treated me like crap and one goup in my opinion is nothing but a  bunch of “subliminal racist bigots “.  You never tried to push your religious views on any of us and I in turn never tried to convert you or impose secularism on you as well. It’s a start.  As a black male secular conservative  , I hate to admit it but the only two groups who  are actively engaging in deeds and action and helping out with issues in the black community ( and I hate that term ) are Christians and also the Black Muslims ( even though they are racist IMO and I do not associate with them  ).  My closest friend is a white male conservative Christian  and I would rather be around him in his company than aboiut 95% of the atheists I know from the way I have been treated  ( or rather mistreated ).  The atheists  (   both liberal and conservative ) pay lip service to the problem but will do NOTHING as far as action is concerned but they have every cop out excuse imaginable to not get involved.         Where are the atheist hospitals ? here are the atheist soup kitchens ? Where are the atheist shelters ? Where are the atheist emergency relief aid groups ? Where are the  community youth mentors  who are atheists  ?  I tried to organize a local soup kitchen for the homeless at my expense and asked for members of two secular groups ( one atheist  and one secular humanist group )  and I could not get one volunteer to assist as a volunteer to give only a few hours of their weekend time .  I even got ridiculed for even mentioning it and that really opened my eyes.   I’ve been attacked by some Christians for simply being a secular freethinkers and also attacked by some atheists for not being in lockstep with their politics. I would like to hear more about your time spent in Iran and your suggestions to fighting this horrific terror cancer that is incrementally taking over the world. I’m all ears———gotta go for now .   Remember , don’t sweat the small stuff.   Later.

  • Tim

    As for the contention that all religions are equally violent and equally liable to be bases for terrorism: 
    Four North Georgia (USA) men, ages 65-73, were arrested for allegedly plotting to make and use ricin and bombs against federal government targets in Atlanta.  One of the men is said to be a 30-year veteran of the US Navy.  “US Attorney Sally Quillian Yates said the case is a reminder that ‘we must also remain vigilant in protecting our country from citizens within our own borders who threaten our safey and security.'” Well, yes, Ms. Yates (and why do so many female attorneys have three names?), eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.  But let’s put this plot in perspective: US Department of Justice Terrorism Convictions since 9/1182% (186 of 228) Muslim 30% al-Qa`idah (AQ) 11% Hizbullah   9% Hamas   7% Lashkar-e Taiba  Rest splinter or “lone jihadist”14% Tamil Tiger and/or FARC (Columbian Marxist).: A grand total of 4% of terrorism convictions in the USA in the last ten years have been the much-publicized Hutarees/”Christian” militias/”right-wing extremists”/grumpy old white men.Yet “right-wing Christians”–Evangelicals–comprise some 26.3% of the population, while Muslims make up (wait for it….) 0.6%! (This is according to Pew’s massive study from 2008.)  So one might safely conclude that we have far more to fear from followers of Muhammad than from any crazed Abe Simpsons. 

  • Tim

    George,
    Except, George, I insulted no one and tried to force my beliefs on no one on here.  I simply thought that, as an expert on Mahdism who has actually been to Iran and who had written an article on the video in question, I would share some of my informed opinion here.   I tried in no wise to foist my beliefs on anyone, nor did I impugn anyone for their atheism, agnosticism or “Rationalism.”  I simply pointed out the incorrect views of religion and eschatology expounded by some on here.  In return, Don L. attacked, impugned and insulted me–for absolutely no reason.
    And now you seem to be lumping me with anonymous folks from talk radio and other alleged threats to the safety and well-being of atheists and agnostics.  I really do regret ever having come over here and commented, at this point. If this is how you guys try to foster dialogue–no offense, but you need to practice what you preach. 

    • Don L

      How soon you forget.  Your post a reply to Liz ending with, what appears to be an insult: “I would suggest you learn a bit more about it before slamming all Christians as having the same sorts of beliefs.”

      I can’t speak for Liz, however, I took from her comment the generic that, from an atheist perspective, theists, be they muslim or christian, do think alike in that it’s all mysticism and irrational. When you watch the video and watch christians in their various circus acts looks and sounds alot alike.   Your argument to her was to describe distinctions as to method of magical people returning to life…it’s magical/made up people…both believe this stupidity…again, alot alike.

      Atheists don’t accept this stuff…you demand Liz learn it…seems pretty pushy.  But your so IQ’d brilliant…these things must escape you!  They don’t teach manners at the mickey mouse school of live again studies…huh?

  • Tim

    Don L., you are truly a jackass and I should never have wasted my time talking to you.  Frankly, you don’t even understand the arguments I am making.  I shall stop wasting my time.  I’d be happy to compare IQs with you any day of the week, however.  

    • Don L

      LOL.  It troubles me…I wonder if you teach?  How many lives have you destroyed forcing students to learn your irrational ectohistorical fallacies and untruths?

      You shouldn’t get mad just because you aren’t able to answer the questions. 

  • Tim

    I certainly hope George’s comments are more typical of the enlightened, intelligent atheist conservative than are Don L’s.  Don, your self-stated lack of respect for my area of expertise betrays your colossal ignorance and prejudice.  My doctorate is in HISTORY–the history of majority-Islamic lands of the earth, the 1.5 billion inhabitants of which don’t cease to exist because you think them stupid or irrational.   Your ignorant position would seem to be that because the Ottoman Empire–which ruled the Middle East, North Africa and Easter Europe for 400 years–was Islamic, then it’s not worth studying.  That attitude is so frankly stupid as to beggar imagination.   And as does a typical liberal, you like to pretend that what you don’t like is irrelevant and harmless.  There are 49 groups on the US State Dept. list of official terrorist organizations–and 28 of those are Muslim. None is Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, or Sikh.  Understanding the religious motivations of such people is imperative for counter-terrorism.  Yet if we adopted your “enlightened” approach, we’d simply scorn them as delusional religious nuts and not bother to figure them out.  And as for your allegation that only “theists” are repressive–you truly are ignorant of history, and dangerously so.  The two regime in history than killed more of their own people than another other were atheist ones–the USSR, and the PRC.  At least 20 million were killed in the various purges under Stalin in particular; and in Communist China, Mao killed some 40-50 million AND his Marxist-Leninist, atheist, enlightened followers oppress religious people and disfavored ethnic groups (Tibetans; Uyghurs, etc.) to this day.  I can only conclude that you must have gone to public school, Don L., to have imbibed so much about the world that is so massively incorrect. 

    • Don L

      Last first:

      USSR & PRC were first and foremost socialistic/communist states.  It was the use of government force to impose equality of outcome/redistribution of wealth/destruction of capitalism and property rights which caused the death of millions.  Not atheism.Statism and altruism share the same objectives.  And, it were good little christians who gave Mussolini, Hitler, Mao and Stalin their ideas: Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson & FDR.  The ideas shared were for secret police, methodolgy for state control of the economy, eugenics, propaganda and more.

      Now, here’s what you typed: “I am a Christian (conservative, but not “fundamentalist” and my PhD is in Islamic history, specifically eschatological beliefs and Mahdism…” — “Christ’s return is meta-historical–that is, it happens NOT in the normal course of history…”

      Phd in Islamic History…all the good topics taken?  LOL.  So, what I really want to know, as you are a historian, what is an un-normal course of history?

      Now, I believe the 1.5 billion (thought it was more) muslims exist and I believe they are irrational.  These folks should be studied as the threats that they are.  I believe multitudes of christians exist….and I believe they are irrational too.  You, however, believe in the idea of eschatologicalism (you study it) and that jesus WILL return but differently than the return of the mahdi…outside of the normal course of history. Well, seems you got your phd at mickey mouse school for deluded fools!  Ectohistory…how does that work exactly?

      Enough…you cannot prove any deaths because of atheism…Period!  You can prove deaths because of socialist and religious motives/doctrines.

      Massively incorrect? Let’s start with you believing in a god, then we add on from there: ecto history, immaculate conception and dead people returning to life, living for something other than yourself only because of some promised after life (72 gay virgins?)…and so on.

    • George

      In reply to im —–

      Tim, I welcome your information and the last info posted you made was indeed informative of what is going on in the Middle East ( specifically Iran ).  However , you speak about the regiemes that have killed more people.   Stalin was an atheist during the middle years of his life , however in his youth he was a follower and supporter of the  Russian Orthodox Church and in the years opreceding his death he reverted back to theology and decidesd he was going to start his own religion. his actions were purly political and had nothing to do with atheism. Hitler was a catholic and even admitted so in many of his speeeches and throughout his book Mein Kamph .  Pol Pot ( who real name was Saloth Sar ) was actuall a Buddhis but he embraced Marxism afte going to France and studing and embracing socialism , later becoming the murderous ruthless leader of the  Khmer Rouge of Cambodia .  Mao Tse Tung ( or Zedong ) was generally a Buddhist and at times he had fluxuated beyween Shintoism and Taoism and he considered Westen religions a threat to his power and control and as such he too was branded as a “heathen, or heretic or infidel –hence the claim of being atheist ).    Also, Fidel Castro has been throughout his reign a follower and embracer of Liberation Theology. 
                         Just as there  are Christian zealots who can be real jerks , we also have secular a**holes who can be likewise which even I have experienced . I haven’t checked out your website yet Tim but it looks interesting. I may e-mail you if I do ( but I won’t make any promises )   I certainly haven’t made any attacks upon you and please don’t take the frustration out on me.    I’ve had bad treatment from fellow atheists  ( liberal and conservative ) just as I have from religious fundamentalists   .  I currently am a member of no secular group.  Take care , and I’ll talk later guy . keep the info coming. Thanks !

  • Don L

    Oh…I forgot:

    Although I do think all those things (you’re delusional and close-minded, etceteras) about you…I defend your right to believe them.  It’s a shame theists do not allow atheists the same rights!

  • Liz

    This is creepy. If you replace all the muslim dress, language, etc., it seems as if you are watching a typical fundamentalist seminar about the second coming of Christ.  The parrallels are weird – the fulfillment of prophecies of the “last days” when there will be evil and violence, etc… Hilarious that they say something like “after 9/11, America attacked us. Why did they do this?”  (Duh!)  But of course the obvious answer is not that they attacked us first – no, its to fulfill endtimes prophecies. Then the idea that the eeeevil Freemasons are behind it all!!! It would be hilarious if it weren’t so creepily familiar.   These are the monsters that religion created – Christian and Muslim fundamentalists, who think exactly alike, but are on opposite sides of the conflict. 

    • Tim

      Liz,
      With all due respect, Christian and Muslim fundamentalists do NOT “think exactly alike.”   I am a Christian (conservative, but not “fundamentalist” and my PhD is in Islamic history, specifically eschatological beliefs and Mahdism, so I know a bit about this topic). Aside from the minor fact that Southern Baptists don’t fly airplanes into buildings, the eschatological beliefs are distinctly different: for most Christians, Christ’s return is meta-historical–that is, it happens NOT in the normal course of history (this is the belief of the Catholic Church, the Orthodox churches and even some of us Protestants; the “Left Behind” crowd, while numerous in the US, are a minority of the world’s Christians); but for many, if not most, Muslims who believe in the Mahdi,  Sunni as well as Shi`i, the Mahdi is much more like a Napoleon figure (or, more accurately, a Salah al-Din) who will militarily conquer and impose a global caliphate.   There have in fact been a large number of men in Islamic history who proclaimed themselves the Mahdi and some even took over (Ibn Tumart in North Africa; Muhammad Ahmad in Sudan; the Fatimids of Egypt).  Christian history, on the contrary, is NOT rife with men claiming to be Jesus who led armies in  battle.  The messianic imperative is quite different in Christianity and in Islam.   I would suggest you learn a bit more about it before slamming all Christians as having the same sorts of beliefs. 

      • Don L

        Tim…you’re delusional.  You…christians, muslims, theists of all colors & stripes all think the same…the distintions you draw are meaningless…all of you believe in magic in the sky irrational nonsense.  Geez, that there’s a doctorate in this stupidity is what is always amazing.

        • Tim

          And the ad hominem attacks begin.  Thanks, Don.  Don’t address any of my issues, which whether you like it or not have had real-world ramifications.  Just insult me.  And yet you no doubt consider yourself enlightened and intelligent, and me close-minded. 

        • Tim

          And truly, Don, if you think all 3 billion monotheists on the planet “think the same”–I would submit you need to go back to school.  

      • Don L

        You’re right…I consider you a theist…irrational and deluded.  I do believe billions of folks are fools for following the tripe religious leaders and scholars spew.  It’s all made up nonsense to deal with the unknown…fear-based…great fodder for self-serving popes, pastors, priests, rabbis, mullahs and all mannner of  “I talk to god follow me” tyrants.

        Sooner or later, all you theists, when you attain political power, eventually resort to violence to enforce your doctorines.  Statist or Altruists…you only succeed by killing off  ‘self’: workers of the worls unite” & “the meek shall inherit the earth…same end results.

        Dr of nada, I do not respect your area of expertise; and the distinctions you draw between muslims and christians are only temporary and ultimately meaningless.  That this made up character or that made up character returns this way or that way…it’s still idiotic mysticism. 

        Currently, muslims are in the kill the infidels mode…christians will be there too.  Even now, you have presidential candidates promoting, as a primary condidtion, there christian believes.  Gingrich ghas stated that unless you believe in god you are not worthy of being an American…so befgins the slide down the slope into talibanism…you know…punishment for not believing.

        Enough…reaching through to a believer is a futile endeavor…go play with your blocks of belief!  LOL

        • Tim

          Nice rational conversation, Don.  Remind me–who’s more tolerant? 

        • Don L

          Timm…you believe in magic persons in the air…rational?  Tolerance…I have to tolerate your prayers in public places, your icons in public places and if I comment that I’m offended by having theist stuff forced down my throat…theists claim I’m at war with them…my rights be damned.  Tolertance?  You’re belief system doesn’t allow it…you must convert non-believers.

          rational discussion…refute the magic guy in the sky idea…you can’t so that’s it for rationality.

      • Don L

        For some reason this didn’t post as a reply to tim.  Here it is again:

        Oh…I forgot:Although I do think all those things (you’re delusional and close-minded, etceteras) about you…I defend your right to believe them. It’s a shame theists do not allow atheists the same rights!

      • Liz

        Tim, as a matter of fact, I do know “a bit more about it”.  I was a Christian and studied all that stuff for 30 years.  You are splitting hairs here as far as I’m concerned.  I’m fully aware that Christians don’t fly planes into buildings, but the mentality really is not that far removed.  Fundamentalist Christians have the same commitment to obey the commandments of God (however they may interpret them) as these muslims do for Allah.  They also have the same type of faith in a book written by primitive, uneducated, superstitious men who had no concept of rational thinking or scientific inquiry as these muslims.
        Claiming that the Christian “Second Coming” is a more sophisticated belief than the muslim one just because it’s “meta-historical” is not impressive. I suggest you do some study of history and science outside the Bible.  

        • Don L

          Be careful what you say to him Liz…He has a phd and a high IQ…shake & quiver, oh my!

          But, for such a smart guy, why would he choose as hi life’s work the study of  “eschatological beliefs and Mahdism”.  Hmmm, how much study does that actually take and can you make money at it?  Betcha he sucks at the public teat…a tenured academic perhaps?

          I wasn’t able to get him to explain what un-normal history was.  He’s an expert in it, but I guess atheists just can’t understand such high IQ required notions?

        • Don L

          Keep in mind Liz, Tim is so smart, he thinks he knows more, because of a trip he made to Iran, than the Iranian fellow Kourosh.  Iranians are incapable of knowing about Iranians because they haven’t studied dead people coming back to life…not in the normal course of history!  Man, I wish I knew what outside the course of history was/is?

  • Tim

    This video came out almost a year ago–I wrote an article on it: 
    http://hnn.us/articles/138229.html
    And with all due respect, Kourosh, perhaps the Iranians you know “don’t care about Mahdi.” But when I went to Iran a few years ago, and presented a paper at the annual Mahdism conference, there were a LOT of folks who cared very much about the Mahdi.  And the important point is that key players in the current government there do so.
    Timothy R. Furnish, PhD

    • George

      Your comment is so true Tim.      I heard on a conservative  on a  radio talk show make a  presentation on this issue and he was an  expert on the Middle East ( I forget the name ) and he stated that while the majority of the people in Iran did not agree with or for that mater even hated Mahmoud ,  the people running the show and calling all the shots and also wield the true power and control there is Mahmoud and his henchmen .   There may indeed be an uprising at some time massively but currently Mahmoud is a big threat not only to Israel and others but his regieme is indeed a brutal regieme that rules it’s people with an “iron fist” of horror.  Your comments are very true sir . 

      • Tim

        George,
        Thanks.
        I have not idea where the majority of the Iranian population comes down on this issue–and neither does anyone else (sorry, Koroush) until such time as  Pew can do an opinion survey in Iran. And that’s not happening any time soon.  But since the key belief of Twelver Shi`ism is (as I stated above) that the 12th Imam will someday return from ghaybah, and since the majority of Iran’s (and Iraq’s) population is Twelver Shi`i–then it stands to reason that lots of folks believe in the 12th Imam. Now, that does NOT necessarily mean they like the ayatollahs, or Ahmadi-jihad, or IRI policy, or that Tehran needs to nuke Tel Aviv.  The two beliefs are separable.  I’ve written at length on this topic, too: http://www.inegma.com/reports/Special_Report12/Special%20Report%2012.pdf

        • George

          In reply to TIM   :   

                       Tim , I am NOT going to by any means insult you because I was once raised in the Christian church in my youth  and as I stated before I was the altar boy at my church and I do indeed understand  WHY  you believe what you believe .  I began to ask questions that were never answered and I began to realize that what I was  being taught made NO sense whatsoever and I became a skeptic , then agnostic and then atheist.  No one is going to get anywhere in a form of dialogue by “mud slinging ” at one another.
                           Having said that sir   ,  I was listening to a conservative radio talk show the other night and a guest caller called in and began insulting atheists  ad nauseum.  Not one caller or even the host told this guy to “knock it off ” and stop the insulting bashing which goes on in the mainstream media and especially on radio talk shows galore.   But as soon as a seular freethinker makes the slightest criticism of  one of the top 3 Abrahamic religions , the snarling , growling and fangs come out from the religious followers who can’t stand ANY kind of critisism of their  indoctrinated organized theological dogmatic beliefs but have absolutely no qualms whatsoever of maligning, denigrating, vilifying and engaging in ad hominem attacks upon atheists non stop.     I’ve had Christians call me foul  names on a vast multitude of occassions and even harrassment  , annonymous harrassing mail and even phone threats just because I am a Rationalist ( secular freethinker ). or non-theist. 
                               I know atheists who are literally scared to death of anyone finding out that they are secular freethinkers . Have YOU eve lived like that being a Christian ?  We do all the time .      The intollerant in this society (USA) are not secular freethinkers but specifically Christians who are constantly trying to impose their beliefs upon us  yet by their own hypocritical behavior can’t stand any form of criticism of their beliefs —PERIOD !!!!  Read the Old Testament and then read the Koran  and you will see the horror that spews forth from both .    People accuse atheists of being angry. Actually we’re not at all. What makes us angry is the daily and nightly [ in your face ]  proselytizing by Christians who adamantly refuse to leave other people alone and refuse to accept others who think differently than themselves.  This website is NOT a hate-site and no one on here is preaching any hate whatsoever but we do indeed speak up and defend our position ( and I will be the first to admit that I am highly agressive in my assertiveness which I will never deny ).     If there is going to be any true “getting along” mutually in our society , then the first move is upon the Christians in our society  to  realize that not everyone shares your or their beliefs and we also have a right to embrace our secular beliefs, and publicly express our views as well without harrassment, insults, threats, violence and discrimination.
                               One of the most absurd things I hear THEISTS say about atheists is that we [ hate God  ] .  How can anyone hate something that he/she doesn’t believe exists in the first place ?  That is an impossibility.  That would be like an atheist telling a Christian that they hate the Tooth Fairy.  I was a platoon leader in the Marines    and I’m a retired cop and I’m a staunch American patriot and proud of it .  Oh , and yes I’m a conservative  and an ethnic minority.  Anyone who hates this country and lives here as far as I am concerned  can take the next one-way flight out of here and don’t let the airplane door hit em in the a** on the way on board.   I don’t need the “crutch” of theology to get through life which I regard as superstition and mythology .  If theology is your thing  , so be it—-I DON’T CARE and I am not concerned  ( just don’t push it on the rest of us who don’t  want it or need such )—-that’s all ).  This is NOT directed at YOU specifically but I am generally speaking. As I stated before , if we didn’t have laws to protect us (atheists) , then Christians would be slaughtering us en masse.    We would be massacred.   Yes atheists have their faults as well and I admit such ( none of us are perfect ) . I hate to use this cliche—but I do indeed have friends who are Christians, Jews, Muslims, Scientologists, Wiccans, Buddhists, Hindus , etc . and even though we do not share the same beliefs , we get along just fine .  I wish you and those  like yourself tell your Christian brethren to cease the atheist bashing and the intollerance towards freethinkers and then perhaps theologians may learn what we believe, represent and stand for—-it’s that simple sir.    

      • Tim

        George: you might like my sometimes serious, sometimes tongue-in-cheek website: http://www.mahdiwatch.org 

        • George

          Tim  , you are welcome to post on here any time and no one is targeting you ( at least I know I’m not )  , but when I posted on a Christian website under a pseudonym  , I was attacked viciously .  I can find complaints on both sides of the fence ( both religious and secular ) but the bottom line still remains that here in the USA  , no Christian lives in fear of anyone finding out that he/she is a Christian.  All the things that I shared with you regarding my experiences are true   and I’m still waiting for Christians in general to tell their fellow Christian brethren to stop the atheist bashing and the obsession of trying to convert others to their beliefs.  To be fair , atheists also need to get busy with getting involved with action and activities instead of simply lip-service.  If I had to make a choice , I would prefer to be in a Christian or Jewish society rather than Islamic but we as atheists are rejected by all ( including by Christians ).   For decades now , my goal has been to get secular freethinkers to get active in the communities and get involved with helping their fellow human being rather than simply talking about societal problems and this has been my greatest frustration .   Deeds speak louder than words. I regard all religious faiths as superstition and mythology and this is not meant to insult you but simply keeping it real. By the same token when Christians tell me I had better turn to Jesus and get down on my knees and pray and turn to God , as a secular freethinker I take offense to that. Also as I have stated previously my closest friend is Christian and our friendship has absolutely NOTHING  to do with religion or secularism but shared mutual social interests .  I am going to leave it at that for anyone to interpret what they want .    If  the jihadists win , we’re ALL going to be in deep doo doo , and that’s a fact and this is the thing that can give any reasonable person nightmares.  I’ll check out your website later.  As for now I’m working on a brief local community project in between this forum.  My number one concern right now is trying to encourage voters to vote  a true American president into  office next term because the one we have now gives me the eebie geebies.

    • Kourosh

       Any Iranian who goes to a “Mahdism conference” is not a real Iranian, he is just another basiji brainwashed dog. Iranian youth hate Arabs and that Arab cult.

      If you really did go to Iran, the people you talked to were brainwashed basiji people, and not the average Iranian, no real Iranian would go to a “Mahdism conference”.

      • George

        I agree with Kourosh that these people he described who support Mahdism  are indeed brainwashed and it is those individuals who are brainwashed who are the problem and psoe a threat. Yes, Kourosh , we’re on the same team here and you  express our sentiments on this issue .    Just the same , also as Tim pointed out when he visited Iran , he observed an alarming number of Iranians who were truly in support of Mahdism.    While you Kourosh bring good news that most Iranians don’t support this ,  we must also face the cold hard reality that  an alarming and threatening problem still exists .   Mahmoud and his minions are still in power and in control and many experts feel assured that in time he will build a nuclear weapon and seek to destroy Israel if given a chance and he has already expressed openly how he feels about Israel and what he would like to do.   I don’t forsee a majority of the unarmed populace (citizen) protesters   going out and topple his regieme  ( at least not anytime real soon—-IMHO ).  It’s a good thing to know that most Iranians have the mindset that Kourosh expresses but the bottom line is what power do they have to effect change and how will they do it if ever ?  That’s the 50-million dollar question that I would like answered.

        • Tim

          Koroush: with all due respect to you Iranian-ness, it’s just absurd to claim that any Iranian who goes to a Mahdism conference is “not a real Iranian.”  That’s like saying “any Christian who goes to a conference on Christ’s return is not a real Christian,” or “any Buddhist who goes to a conference on Buddha’s enlightenment is not a real Buddhist.” The core belief of Twelver Shi`ism is that the 12th Imam went into ghabyah, and will return as the Imam al-Mahdi.  How can one be a Twelver Shi`i and NOT believe that?  
          George: good points, but the key issue is that no one really knows how the Iranian population breaks down on the issue of the imminent coming of the Mahdi, and how violent he will be if he does.   And clearly, one can believe in the 12th Imam’s return and NOT believe he’s going to nuke Tel Aviv; but one can also believe that.  (I’ve run into both kinds of Iranians.)  

  • Kourosh

    Iranians don’t care about Mahdi or any of those things. I’m Iranian and I can tell you that most Iranian youth hate Islam and love America/Israel. It’s the Arabs that are the problem. Remember that Iran is a multiethnic country, only 60% of Iran is truly Iranian. Ahmadinejad for example is brown arab/turk.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-uj2nYS8qs

    • Jillian Becker

      You bring us good news, Kourosh. Thank you.