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  • George

                        I’m not going to waste my time getting into some pissing contest with you Don—alias De Ladyn.   Everyone has been engaging in civil discourse until YOU came along AGAIN  ( even those who have disagreeable viewpoints ). It would be better if you take your virulent cyberbullying elsewhere as we can do without your childish drivel. How many bottles did you consume today ?  Anyone can see through your attempt to start a flame war on this discussion forum which is what you do best. 
                          It is evident that you are trying to lure commenters  here into a comment page sparring match which has been your intent all along. You’re not fooling anyone ( certainly not me ).   You get an “E” for EFFORT anyway.    Stop acting like a 2 year old and and get out of that drunken stupor.    You’re only on here to cause trouble and intentionally harrass to get your kicks, As I said before — GROW UP !
                    

  • George

    Well well  looks like Don has a multiple alias.  The one time supporter of the site has now become the very troll himself that he has accused others of being. How sad ! 

  • Liz

    Gee thanks De Ladyn, nice to be so well thought of. 
    We women have been bonding with our offspring since before religion was thought of, so I wouldn’t call being pro-life a christian influence.  Being pro-abortion is a leftist influence, though.  Fits real well into controlling populations of all sorts.

    • George

      Liz , don’t waste your time arguing with someone with a Hitler mentality. You are better than that and far above that.  He’s intentionally trying to provoke you , me and Jillian. I’m sure he’s probably making the nazi salute right now but instead of using gas chambers he’ll use so-called clinics—–but the end results are the same.  Don’t argue with idiocy and don’t allow him to make you stoop to his level which is his intent indeed.  He’s intentionally trying to be provocative and harrassing on purpose. Forget him !

  • Don L

    Oh my panties are wet waiting to hear from…GEORGE!

  • De Ladyn

    It is insufficient to just not belive in an ((god) ). You actuallyhave to KNOW. And, knowing is merely common sense thinking and common sense thinking is:  NOT WHAT HAS BEEN TAUGHT TO ANYONE FOR MORE THAN 100 YEARS!!!

    Live begins at conception will end up destroying you 401 K…if ya let the bimbos or the commies have their way!

  • De Ladyn

    Geez they keep my posts…Ok with me…too bad Jillian can’t get by her christian influences…(Yes, she deserved the insult!)…A flaw in an oherwise stellar rational process) And anyone coming to the site should know that …Harold should have his throat…George will fill in the blanks and Liz will….be Liz!

  • meangene

    Wonderful site. I knew that I was not the only atheist conservative.  
    Thank God I found this site. (pun intended)

    • George

      Welcome meangene. I know exactly how you feel as I have often felt the same way .  Let’s here from you often as you are not alone and glad to have you join the discussion forum. Please contribute from time to time . The more conservative freethinkers that join the “club” , the more society will begin to recognize that conservatism does indeed include secular freethinkers  as well. Thanks for posting.

  • Palmtree1975

    Hello All,  I am so glad I found this site. I have been an athiest  conservative for many years. I dont care for al the GOD crap that comes along with being a conservative.  I want to start chapter or movement in Mpls, MN. So, this will be a good site for me and others.  

    • Liz

      Welcome, Palmtree1975!  Glad you found us.

    • George

      Welcome Palmtree1975. Glad to have you aboard .

  • NoGodButMoney

    Wow! Finally! A website like this! In Australia, it’s all like that too. I go to an Atheist party and it’s filled with Socialists but upon going to a pro-capitalist meeting I feel like I’m in the bible belt. I shall stay here.

    • Great name, great icon, great post. I think the two of us will get along!

      Welcome to TAC, the one Internet blog whose comments are actually worth reading.

    • George

      Welcome      NoGodButMoney , and your comment reflects my position exactly here in the USA.    Thanks for letting us know how things are in Australia .  I agree with Andrew M also.   It’s really pathetic  when I go to atheist/freethinker / secular humanist group meetings and it’s all a front or haven for left-wing liberal socialist agendas being paraded as if it’s secular freethought in general.   You are not alone.  When I came upon this site I had a sigh of relief and it was indeed a breath of fresh air.   When I go to these liberal atheist meetings  , I want to puke.   I have now stopped going altogether . I may attend one later just to see what’s going on ( as if I don’t already really know ).  These liberal secularists are just as brain-dead as the religious zealots whom they rant against.    Keep the posts coming and we look forward to hearing more from you.

  • Pestigor

    Glad I’m not alone, thank you for the web site!

    • Jillian Becker

      Thank you for finding us, Pestigor, and welcome! 

      Please stay with us and comment whenever you feel like it. 

    • George

      I also want to welcome you Pestigor as I felt  all alone myself thinking I was only one of a handfull of conservative atheists in America.  I got so sick and tired of going to atheist / freethought / and secular humanist meetings ( disguised as general secularism ) and all they do is try to shove a bunch of ultra-liberal left wing politics and agendas down our throats and if you disagree with them , then they turn on you and bash you venemously. I assure you Pestigor that you are not alone and in good company and as stated before numerous times —-it is indeed a breath of fresh air . Jillian Becker is my heroine and I admire her tremendously.   Welcome to the club ! 

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  • Anonymous

    I just registered on your site.  I am not an atheist, but I am a conservative.  We have a lot in common, specifically to make sure that obama is defeated in November!  I would like to be part of your group, but if you don’t want me to, I will understand.

    • George

      WDale   , I want to be the first to welcome you. I was raised as a Christian in my youth. The more I studied and asked questions , the more that I rejected theological beliefs. You and I are both conservative—–  I simply DO NOT believe in the supernatural or paranormal  —that’s all.  I have no hatred , animosity , or denigrating comments toward you or anyone who want’s to work together and support pro-American causes, ethical principles , less government, personal freedoms and true freedom , justice and equality. Just because you are not an atheist does not matter to me . I do wish religious sites would extend the same consideration.  Again , welcome  ,  and also your views regarding Obama are shared by us as well Please pass the word to your friends about us .  Take care . 

    • Jillian Becker

      Welcome, WDale! 

      Please comment to agree or to disagree. We enjoy intellectual controversy. 

      Among our more constant readers and commenters we have quite a few who are atheists but not conservatives, and conservatives who are not atheists. We have some from time to time who are neither.  

  • Robby

    Thank God I’m not the only one!

    …I mean, nevermind.

    • bakamam53

      I welcome you as a conservative. And whether you believe in God or not is totally a personal decision. I respect your right to believe or not believe. It is wonderful to share conservative values for being conservative! However, did you really just say thanks to God?

      • Robby

        Evidently, my sarcasm wasn’t adequately conveyed.

        • George

          Ha ha !!!   I was laughing out loud ——-  Good one !     Way to go Robby !

    • jinna

      haha.. I feel the same!!

  • Don L

    Liz…I forgot to point out that “selishness”  …it’s a good thing.  Theists gooutof their wyy tomake sure sloves don’t know that.  Jillian Used to know that beig selfish was a good thin…then all you gals let hormones get in the wy of thinking!  Oh,,…me who think unborn means alive….eh, stupid is as stipid does…lalalalala  LOL!
    so long chemical controlled ooofeses!

  • George

    In Response to Tim —-
                                For starters according to the video , it was a Muslim who was burning the Koran  ( a book representing the Muslim faith ) .   While yes , the media ranted about a southern preacher talking about burning the Koran not too long ago , but the same media has been TOTALLY silent about all the offenses towards atheists here in the USA.    Madalyn Murray O’Hair had her house firebombed and received a multitude of death threaths ( by the very Christians who procvlaim to love everybody  ( including loving their enemy ) -by Christian zealots who hated the idea that she was an atheist and because of her activism. I have two atheist friends who told me ( allegedly ) that they lost their jobs because they are atheists  ( I would have to go into lengthy detail to explain the circumstances ). In Florida , Christians torn down a secular sign that read — ” Don’t believe in God ? You’re not alone ”  which gave a contact number where secular freethinkers could congregate to meet like-minded secular freethinkers and then the  Christians in the media began going on the “warpath” accusing it of being an “anti-religious” sign which it wasn’t .  If that was anti-religious by just posting a message on a sign for secular freethinkers to meet , then every church sign that exists is indeed therefore anti-secular. What hypocrisy ! This notion that people are picking on Christians is patently false. Christians don’t have to live in fear here in America worrying if people will find out if they’re  Christians.   Christians don’t have to hide “in the closet ” everyday because of virulent hostility and hatred directed at them for being Christians.   christians don’t have to pretend on a daily basis that the are something that they are not just to live in peace and not be ostracized , disowend by relatives and have their carrers jeopardized.   Sorry Tim , but you get no cigar on this one.     I do appreciate you giving us the info regarding Iran though , but it is NOT Christians in America that are being persecuted but it is ATHEISTS ——— plain & simple.   Another man who is an atheist in the south went and bought a firearm because he received death threats from local Christians because he complained about a lighted Christian cross atop a city-owned public water tower in the town where he lived.  If I had a penny for every time I have received hostility from Christians when I announce that I am an atheist , I would be rich.

  • Tim

    Folks,
    Might you be kind enough to tell me the source (without getting anyone in trouble with the Pasdaran!) of that video of an Iranian burning the Qur’an?!?!!?
    Shouldn’t the media be screaming about this?  They would if a Christian even threatened to do so.

  • George

         I was listening to a conservative talk radio show last night and I heard a Catholic caller call in and spout off continous quotes from the Bible and it’s the same old drivel over and over whereby they automatically associate conservatism with religion  ( specifically Christianity   ).   The caller then went on a tirade stating that the atheists he has met are all angry and miserable .  Really ?  Wow——- I wonder why .    Lets see—-  I wonder could it be because religionists  ( Christians ) are ALWAYS in our faces trying to shove their theological Christian dogma down our throats .  Gee , how on earth could that upset anyone  ( especially a person who is secular ) ?   I go to the mall and  Christains come up to me trying to pass out Christian tracts , pamphlets, brochures, business card, leaflets, etc.  and then they have the unmitigated gall to wonder why that would bother us.   I wonder how  Christians would feel if we ( secular freethinkers ) came up to them and said something like ——  ” Hello Sir—– have you rejected the superstition of Christianity and the absurd mythology of the Bible ? ”       “Hi there Maam——do you accept Robert Ingersoll as your savior , lord and master ? ”       “Hello there—– would you like one of our secular/atheist tracts so that you can open your mind to rational thinking, reason , common sense , logic and sensible & analytical inquiry ? “.
                              What would you think the reaction of the Christians would be if we were to do that to them ?    They would be yelling and cursing and probably even thrteatening us and yet we’re suppose to have a smile on our faces when they do this consistently to us. What a bunch of two-faced double-standard hypocrites !!!!!!!!!!!!!   But then , religion doesn’t teach a person to think and use good sense  , but  only to be a mental robot to a superstitious and mythological indoctrinated organized dogma  . 
                         The reason they get away with this is because atheists as a whole have not come out of the closet to an extensive extent and so therefore the religious zealots feel safe in publicly bashing us knowing that they are in the majority and they will not receive any resistance in doing so.   More and more than ever , we secular freethinkers need to come out of the closet and let our voices be heard in the public forum, the mainstream media, in the political “square ”  and our day to day interactions with people in general.

  • I wanted to let you know that we include you in a Non-theists of the Non-left” post at Atheists for Santorum.  Catholicism is less dangerous that Black Liberation Theology. Best wishes.

    • George

      Catholicism TODAY is certainly less dangerous than such. As a black conservative atheist  myself , I view ALL theology as superstitious rubbish.   Take the Rev Jerimiah Wright who embraces such theology and who ( in my opinion ) is a racist bigot ——-you remember him, the one who Obama ( aka -Otrauma ) regarded as his pastor for 2 decades and he sat in the church pews for 20 years embracing  this crap.  
                 The Spanish  Conquistadors  ( Catholics ) massacred untold multitudes of people around the world.   Today we have a large number of Muslims engaging in global jihad , terrorism , and mayhem and yet it’s still atheists in America who the general populace hate and despise just because we do not embrace a belief in the invisible and imaginary — Daddy In The Sky .   I rememeber groups like –The Church of The Avenger, The Black Muslims , and The Christian Knights of The Ku Klux Klan  and various other ethnic centered religious inspired groups.   Some groups preach a dogma of hatred but are NOT engaging in any such violence or mayhem , while others are spreading their terror and subjugation like wildfire.   I can point out bigotry from all sides.   I am rejected more by the black Christian theists than from any other group because  I am able to think for myself  ( outside of the theological box ) and not be a puppet of indoctrinated brainwashing theological dogma and I do not “follow the crowd ” or engage in [ group think ].   After all , that’s what being a true FREETHINKER is all about.   Oh , by the way I joined the Tea Party when it first organized in my area but just couldn’t handle the GOD GOD GOD GOD GOD rhetoric that was spouted off perpetually. I will NEVER vote Democrat , but we conservatives need to get our act together before we screw up and allow  Obama back in office a second term which would be IMO a disaster for America.      Semper Fi  !          REASON bless America !!!!! 

  • George

                  Hi folks  , I have devised a tactic that works wonders when the proselytizing  Christians are going around passing out their religious tracts.   Instead of getting angry with them or making any negative remarks —simply reciprocate in kind.   Here’s how it works .   For example , if the Jehovah’s Witnesses come by your house/apt . , don’t slam the door or make any bad remarks to them. Oh no , just invite them in  and when they hand you their “Watch Tower ” or ‘Awake” religious tracts , you simply have your own secular tracts as I do and exchange with them and say, —–”  Hey, let’s exchange tracts. I’ll take yours and you take mine and we can reasd each other’s tracts——that’s being fair , right ? ” .   
                         I made a bunch of copies of  [ Dear Christian– by Dan Barker  ]   and  [ Dear Believer – by Dan Barker ] and also printout copies of quotes by Robert  Ingersol and a few others .    These tracts tear Christianity apart . So when the Christian proselytizers are approaching you to hand you their religious tracts , just say—“Sure , I’ll  take one and let me give you one of our Freethought tracts just  to be fair. Enjoy reading them “.  I love it ! I love it ! ”   I just like to watch the expressions on their faces as they stand there reading portions of the secular tracts. As a result of  doing this , the religious neighborhood canvassing teams bypass my home altogether.  I guess the word is out —- ” Hey , stay away from that guy’s house , he’s a radical heathen and he’ll try to give you a bunch of infidel tracts or heretic brochures “.      It really works. I make small copies and leave them at the Coin Laundry places, public libraries,  restrooms, highway rest areas , etc.  If they can do it , then so can we. It’s only fair.    This drives them nuts ! And I laugh my a** off at their reaction.  So when a Christian hands you a religious tract , just reciprocate and say — “Sure , and here take one of my secular tracts also “.   It works wonders !    You’ll love it !

  • Charisse

    Hello I have found your website to be very stimulating. I am interested to see a piece about the role of the family in society with particular emphasis on fathers.

    • George

      Welcome Charisse.   I also have addressed and was an activist on these issues on many occassions for decades.  I worked with various groups regarding father’s rights support. .  The feminists attacked me for supporting the rights of fathers ( particularly in family court situations ).  The feminists always ranted about ” Women and children ” . I aksed — ” What about men and children ? “.  The radical feminists have promoted the agenda of causing a diviseness between men and women and many of their groups actually taught women to hate men.  The early “women’s lib ” activists were indeed justified considering how women were treated and ignored , but today’s modern day feminism is very virulent to the core .     The men’s groups  motto was— ” We are not trying to win the battle of the sexes but to end it “.    Families have been around even in small clans of the early human race and it did NOT start two thousand years ago by any Christian teachings which the fundies are trying to shove down our throats.   Many fundies actually believe that atheists are “anti-family” because of what the radical left and the liberal radical feminists have done regarding their left wing propaganda being spread throughout the media.  
                           As I have stated before Charisse , it will indeed be conservative atheists who will turn things around and give secular freethought acceptance and respect throughout  society.  I will be more than glad to correspond with you on any of these matters if you like.  Once again—-  welcome to the site !

      • Charisse

        Thanks four your response. I would like to converse more about this. I would like to hear your perspective on organizations or prominent people who are fighting for fathers rights. Addtionally, are there countries where you think fathers have significant protection?  Also, what you think means to live in a society that de-emphasizes the importance of fathers.
        Thanks!

  • David

    I am new to this site. Looks very interesting.

    New atheist (thanks to Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, et al), was agnostic 15 years, and born again evangelical for 20 before that.

    Is a conservative atheist primarily fiscally conservative, or are you socially conservative as well (eg. pro-life, anti-gay marriage).

    Just curious. I am fiscally conservative, but socially liberal.

    • Don L

      Hi David!
       
      For me, I’m a fiscal/constitutional conservative.  I’ve seen different views on social issues.  For me, I’m pro choice…however, I believe it is a State’s rights issue anyway…even further, I think it ought be exclusive to women!

      As to gay marriage, I’m opposed.  Not because of the homosexuality per se, but becuse the definition of marriage is between a man and a woman whereas it incorporates the eventuality of children born to a man & wife.

      Homosexuality, as far as I have determined, is a generic defect…not a handicap…whereas the species doesn’t survive with a man/man or woman/woman scheme.  Changing the historic definition in order to satidfy the political aims of a partyy affiliation doesn’t hack it …for me.

      I’m all in favor, however, of some other term whereas a homosexual couple can have the legal benefits atrributed to married couples: hopital visitation, death benefits, tax benefits, etceteras.

      Per your list of influences, I would recommend you look up Ayn Rand novels and essays.  Further, I would check out Austrian economics as practiced by Ron Paul:  I do not support Paul’s foreign policy, but his economics are right on…or, beware the libertarians; they are great on the economics of freedom and fail miserably with blind pacifism.

      I’ve been an athiest for more than 60 years….I just found the site a few months back…

      Jillian presents great topics and the others on board make great comments…I just chronically make a fool of myself…I love it!

      Welcome

      Don L

    • Jillian Becker

      Welcome, David! 

      To become an atheist after 35 years of being evangelical+agnostic – that’s a great story. Perhaps you’ll tell us more about it. But please if you comment again, put it on a more recent post – even if it’s not strictly on the topic of the post – because the comments here have become so many it’s hard to find the new ones.

      We are conservative in that we hold core conservative values and principles: individual freedom, small government, low taxes, free market economics, strong defense. We don’t discuss abortion much if at all. We’re against abortion as a form of birth control (as it’s used in Russia), but we recognize that there can be  good reasons for it. Gay marriage? It seems to us that the institution of marriage has very largely broken down. We don’t think that’s a good thing, but we recognize it as a fact. We think it’s best for children to be raised in a stable home with a mother and a father. It’s also the best arrangement for economic prosperity. We are entirely tolerant of individual choices in all matters including sex, as long as children are not being harmed by being corrupted or exploited in any way.  

      I hope you stay with us and comment whenever you feel like it.

    • George

      Hi David , I was raised Christian in my youth and  was also the altar boy at my church. I began to think , ask questions and inquire and nothing made sense of what I was being taught  and the rest is history.   I am fiscally conservative although politically libertarian. I actually don’t like labels. On abortion I consider myself pro-life ( although there are exceptions which I will go into later ).  It takes two to make a baby and no baby chooses to die ( in particularly when viable ).  A men’s columnist wrote on the issue of abortion  —-   [  Women say  – “It’s my body ” as if the discussion is closed and the bilogical father has no rights to what is equally his child as well .  Fathers are saying —- ” There is a body inside of your body which is as much mine as it is yours and as the biological father of that unborn child I decline to be so easily dispensed with “.  The former surgeon general said that it is rarely if ever that an abortion is to save the life or preserve the health of a baby. A C-section could be operformed if all else fails. Too often abortion is used as a post-conception or pre-birth contraception for of birth control.     Abortion is at an all time record high in low income black communities and many activists are considering it [ in their perception ] as almost genocidal. I’m not going to jump on that bandwagon but it’s horrifying of the results. Many father’s to be are saying to the mother’s to be who intend to abort their child— ” If you don’t want the child then fine, bring the child to term and give the child to me and sign your rights away and I will be glad to love and support MY child without your help.    That is a decision by BOTH  biological parents ( not only the MOTHER ). There is a website titled—   [   Atheists and Agnostics Pro-Life League ]  and it has nothing to do with telling women what to do with their bodies or any of the like but protecting the unborn .  I try to avoid this subject because it often leads to a heated and emotional diatribe .  Often because of this one subject , I often want to get with groups who will support the unborn child and I am not going to be lured into any abortion debate.  I agree with Jillian that the best way to raise a child is by both a mother and a father in an intact family household. I read an article by Alix Jules a black atheist activist and public figure and  I admire him tremendously.  He said the groups he attended we’re almost exclusively white males  with he being the only black atheist among them and he felt like an outcast as a black atheist because  — ” no one was reaching out to me” in his words.    I know the feeling and I can relate.  A black atheist friend of mine asked me — ” Why do you waste your time going to these atheist meetings and writing in their newsletters considering that nothing they discuss is indigenous to any of us as African-Americans  ? “.    I’m  trying to change  that with my correspondence.   In my attempt to do so , I  have endured more insults and hostile attitudes from fellow atheists than from any Christians —sad to say.   The Atheist Conservative is a breath of fresh air away from the typical left-wing liberal rhetoric in most secular groups and sites.  Welcome to the site.

  • Dear Mr.
     
    To promote
    skepticism/critical thinking I wrote some questions for the Christian believer.  Are you
    able to put the link to these questions at your blog. 
     
    Thank you very
    much,
     
    Piet – Rotterdam –
    Netherlands. 

     

    The original questions

     

    http://www.freethinker.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=8382

    The
    translation

    http://www.freethinker.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=10033

    The first
    one who did this, was Jonathan.  This is
    a good example.

    http://www.limbicnutrition.com/blog/tough-questions-for-believers/

    • David

      Piet,

      I kid you not. There are christians who believe that God wanted the enemies of Israel children killed (OT) so that they would not reach the age of accountability and therefore be saved!

      Maybe God performs miscarriages for the same reason!

      Cheers.

      • piet vrijdenker

        There are also Christians who said.  You blame the wrong person.  Our god is mercy full and does not kill anybody.  And then is my reply; Which part of the Bible do you read?   

  • Anonymous

    Peace on earth, good will towards all, happy new year, be ye theist, atheist, agnostic or Cal bear rooter!

    • Don L

      Hey philclock…send me all your money!!!
       
      I want some of that “as it is in heaven” world too…yeah!
       
      Altruism baby…you can only feel better and moral by ‘giving’ to me…I’m an “others” you’re suppose to do ‘good’ for.  It is a sin to think about yourself now!”happy new year, be ye…” LOL.  philclock, you went to one of those renaissance fairs? And, the clever baseball, as in all bases covered, reference is so…I can’t find the words.Thanks for your thoughts.
       
       

  • Ecor1

    Great site!  Too many atheists are left-wingers and too many conservatives are religious zealots.  This is like the Goldilocks site, just right!

    • Don L

      Well said!  I’m one of the commentors on the site…welcome!

    • George

      Beware the George emotion without thought ?  Ha ! — that’s funny. Look who’s talking. At first  I thought you were an alright sort of guy ,  but lately you have changed to the very opposite  [ being worse  ]  with your mean spirited attacks.  You’re  still at it again .   Now you’re using this website to advertise YOUR website as usual while making personal ad hominem attacks upon me .  Beware the Don L emotion without sense.  You’re accusing ME of why  [ WE ] are always in trouble.  Ha–that’s funny. Put the bottle away Don . Go look in the mirror to see why we’re always in trouble . As far as Grrr  is concerned , my response is Arrrrrrrgggggghhhhh   !!!!!!  I’m not going to waste my time getting into some bickering match with you which is actually what you’re trying to incite.   Your comments are not a positive contribution but a series of childish attacks.  Grow up !

    • Richard

      After being raised as a catholic and spending too many years as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses I thank Carl Sagan for opening my eyes. His book Cosmos really got me thinking. I have never been a spiritual person I was raised as a conservative and saw the value of that lifestyle. Having raised 6 kids before becoming an atheist I don’t regret the way my kids were raised and grew up to be decent productive adults. My choice to leave the religion caused my family a lot of heart ache. Telling the elders that I was an atheist was not the smartest thing to do at the time( 6 years ago) They disfellowshipped me from the congregation which was OK but they also told my kids that they could not associate with me. Well my oldest son who is my business partner pretty much said FU but they left him alone. Some of my other kids are still in the religion and that’s find. My wife got fed up with the religion and pretty much gave up on all religion. I am an anomaly in our area where you are either a conservative Christian or liberal atheist but I am slowly finding people who are decent moral human beings that don’t believe in a god. I am now 70 and I still play in a rock band as a drummer(believe it or not) we have 2 female vocalists who are married and are also non believers having been cast out of their religions for being gay. Enjoying life to the the full as a free thinker

      • Jillian Becker

        Welcome, Richard! 

        We are glad you found us. Your story is interesting. And we’ll be happy to hear from you whenever you feel like contributing a comment. 

  • Zvahedd

    i am afghan boy i donnu wich god is better to have or no GOD!! help me AT:zvaheed@yahoo-DMLNMRM3XVTGX5CBFAY62PPK74:disqus .com

    • Jillian Becker

      Thank you, Zvahedd, for your comment. 

      We do not believe in the supernatural and we are sure there is no god. Nobody who does believe in a god of any sort has ever been able to prove his existence. This alone is sufficient reason not to believe that any god exists. We are very glad that you are thinking for yourself in a society that defines itself by its religious beliefs. We would like to think that there are many more like you. The world would be a better place without religion. It  has caused – and continues to cause – much suffering. If you are curious about the universe, become a scientist. Come to a Western country to study if you can.

  • Anonymous

    This is the most irrational of any site I know that claims to be atheist.  Is conservatism that powerful a neuron killer?

    • Don L

      Hmmm…you seem to be a lefty…centrally-planned socialism has failed everywhere where free market capitalism has succeeded…who’s irrational?

  • Andrew M

    Jillian, I am having trouble sending you email messages. My most recent message was bounced back by theatheistconservative.com, saying that the domain was rejecting it because they are apparently some problems about bulk emails saturating your domain? I’m pretty tech-savvy, but I’m very confused by this message since I’ve never had a problem reaching you before. Your investigation into this matter is much appreciated.

    Anyways, what I sent you was another Andrew McCarthy article where small-government Tea Party House Republicans approved yet another wasteful government subsidy – this time, it’s for mansions:
    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/284101/republicans-subsidize-mansions-andrew-c-mccarthy
    End the welfare state.

  • Trent

    As I scan through the posts below I feel like I could have very well written them myself. We are still mostly “in the closet” still. Trapped between the “secular left” and the “theist right”. Both of those groups off on their own agendas while ignoring reason and truth. 

    I consider myself a Libertarian but probably like many of you, I am forced to align myself with the mystical theological right wing. It is a choice of being totally on the “fringe”, never to move the ball in the correct direction or band together with the delusional mystics that control the “right wing”.

    Not what I consider much of a choice, really. I hope there are more of us out here than I think. At least I’m hoping it changes someday. I doubt it will be in my life time.

    • Jillian Becker

      Welcome, Trent!

      Believers, in their desperation, hold up one last supernatural being – the “Intelligent Designer”. It’s a thing that cannot stand examination.

      Philosophically, we’re winning. 

      But I agree it will take a while yet before conservative politicians seeking election feel there’s no disadvantage in declaring themselves to be atheists.     

  • Human Ape

    I’m an atheist conservative, however I don’t much care for what has happened to the Republican Party which has become infested with science deniers and the Christian Taliban.

    http://darwinkilledgod.blogspot.com/

  • George

    Check out this  video on YouTube  [  Dear Believer- Dan Barker.wmv ]   

  • Tonia


    i want to share this video that i discovered, i think its beautiful, a much more meaningful use of the original song and video. “It’s too late to apologize” Song with a Twist. these days, our federal
    government is more and more like a “king”. a good portion of our
    citizens favor despotism, government comfort, care, and control. That
    leaves the rest of us who are willing to fight for our true freedoms
    that we are losing. you could easily
    replace “king” for “United States government” in the Declaration
    Preamble. We still have great freedoms, freer than any country on earth
    in the history of civilization, but the federal government has too much
    power and is continuing to get bigger, regardless of what people do.
    hopefully our checks and balances and voting will hold off government
    oppression for awhile. We are still free overall but the freedoms are
    becoming scattered and fragmented. The government is too powerful. The
    government will just sit on its ass like a king unless we do something
    about it. Our founders warned about too much government power. Looks
    like its happened. Sure we can vote to balance the power a little bit
    the other way every four years but the truth is that the government will
    just continue to get bigger and more controlling, regardless of the
    balancing, because people are stupid. It wont go away. Unless people
    really want to change it all over again. If we can do it once we can do
    it again. Its the truth. Government is like a Snowball, it gets bigger
    and bigger as it rolls down the hill. It cant get smaller, it cant stop.
    Theres no such thing with government. Only the people have the power to
    start a new government, from scratch all over again. Government is like
    a terminal “disease”, continuously progressing for its own sake, it
    never dies, but its necessary for society. The People have to put it in
    “remission” (get rid of the current government) and start over again. It
    has a mind of its own. Its like a living thing, it works as a mass
    body, the ones who are part of it are “Loyal” to it as for a king,
    intent on carrying out its orders to maintain its Power, it also thrives
    on citizens who support it. -tonia

  • Tonia

    “It does me no harm for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg”. ~~Thomas Jefferson~~
    I’d say that pretty much sums it up 🙂 Thanks T.J.  !!!

    • George

      It only picks people’s pockets when the lying preachers ask for tithing  ( their 10% ) to send to GOD of course. As the late comedian  George Carlin said about GOD—– ” He just can’t handle money ! “.

      • Tonia

        LOL

    • Don L

      Hi Tonia,
       
      like your thinking with one exception:
       
      the collectivists, both religious and progressive have managed to convince folk that they don’t count.  “Selfish” merely means concern for one’s self.  It is not greed nor sel-serving or self-centered.  Selfish is rational and reasonable.  Greed, etc are irrational and are typically behaviors which work against one’s interests.

      Liked the TJ quote.  Most theists/christians are unawere he re-wrote the bible to eliminate all the mystical/magical crap…he left only those comments that had reasonable and rational basis.

      Later

      Don L

      • Tonia

        i didnt mean christians or religious people in general are literally selfish. i was using the word to describe the way religion throughout human history and today is very short-sighted. Sometimes individuals can be selfish literally because they want people to believe only their religion, religion causes people to be selfish because they only see things in terms of their religion.

      • Tonia

        can you give some more info about this (thomas jefferson and the Bible”?

  • Tonia

    im glad i found this website. i’m also an atheist conservative. i dont think you have to be religious to be moral or have values. A lot of Christians believe that you do. (aka because belief in god means you follow rules written down according to the Ten Commandments) If this was true then i should be more “evil” than the average christian. I dont even think about a “god”. I am just a good person. thats it. I dont need to read a Bible or believe in a god to understand what is right and what is wrong. Christians may think atheists live animalistically, only basic human subsistence living day to day with no religious incentive such as “God” to give us meaning and value in life, not having any views or moral opinions on anything, living their lives like there is nothing. this is simply NOT TRUE. I have extremely strong opinions on many political and moral issues. I have opinions and feelings on lots of things and im a very thoughtful, reflective person.
    If christians believe atheists will “go to hell” simply because they dont “believe in god”, thats their belief. its not my problem. It’s not necessary to be religious but religion serves as an incentive to the majority of people for upholding moral values, origin of the universe/earth(which scientific research has given proof of our evolutionary origins) , and other reasons for believing in a “god”. i share the same moral values with any patriotic american, christian, atheist, etc.
    People like things or representations of feelings, values, morals, and thoughts and belief in a personal god in the sky, aka “heavens” fulfills that. Of course, for most religious people, belief is not enough, they have to put these thoughts/feelings in a tangible form, aka a Bible, physical rituals, religion is a very social thing. Thats why we have churches. We are social and physical beings, no matter how abstract the thought, we must have a physical representation of it, it solidifies it for us, if we didnt all we would have is our thoughts. Think of all the pictures of angels and white haired old man you see in paintings, representing “God” and dead humans aka “angels”. I say “God” is made in humans’ image 🙂 🙂 🙂
    this goes way back to when humans discovered they had the ability to think abstractly, but we are still animals and need physical things to represent our abstract thoughts (religious rituals, bibles etc etc) Religion has been a part of human society since our ancestors evolved. It’s a part of human society, but it’s also a part of society to have free thinkers (whole are moral) such as atheists who are able to reflect on the whole picture of society but without the selfish lens of religion getting in the way. Religion does not make people more moral, actually its caused a lot of wars throughout history due to humans’ selfish need to revenge against those who dont believe the same things as they do.

    • George

      Welcome to the website discussion forum Tonia .   I agree with what you say and pardon the religious term but  [ You’re preaching to the choir here ] and you’re right about what you posted.  Religion doesn’t teach people to think —only to believe in superstition blindly.  Religion makes people human puppets and mental slaves.

      • Tonia

        sorry, i just wanted to write how i think.

        • George

          Ha ha —nothing to be sorry about ( that was meant in humor ).  I  like your commentary. For a few decades now , I have been trying to encourage atheists  to write letters to the editor in newspapers and magazines and to call radio talk shows and let our voices be heard more and more publicly in the mainstream media and public political forums.
                   The more of us that speak out , the more that other secular freethinkers will follow and this is how we will reach the populace in general.  Welcome again  and best to you !

  • Chris

    I just discovered this site. I haven’t engaged in  a deep exploration as  of yet.  As a defected liberal and staunch anti- ontological naturalist, I find this place something of a “bizarro” parallel universe.  I’m fascinated. Off to some more reading! Cheers. 

    • George

      Welcome Chris—-glad to have you.    You’re in good company here !

  • George

    You are totally right Keith and right on target. You nailed it on the head.   You see , they don’t want to offend Muslims because they fear the Muslims and are cowards . They don’t respect the Muslims but they don’t want to say anything that will cause any anger in  Muslim society.  What acts of terrorism are atheists engaging in ?   NONE !    Yet our society  hates atheists to the ultimate degree.   I didn’t see any atheists hijacking jetliners and crashing them into skyscrapers expecting to attain some secular virgins in an afterlife.  But who became the proverbial scapegoat ?  Atheists.    After Sept. 11, 2001 , I saw and heard Christian televangelists ranting about how 9/11 was the result of people turning away from GOD.  Can you believe this bulls*** ?
                                Now they want to build a Muslim Mosque right by ground zero which is an insult and slap on the American people. Do you think the Muslim theocracies would allow  America to build a church, temple, synagogue or secular building in their Islamic theocratic nation ? What if a Christian soilder of fortune group bombed a large Muslim shrine or monument in a Muslim nation , do you think their society would allow a Christian church to be erected next to the bomb site ?  We as a society have become  such stupid fools and our enemies are literally laughing at us in amazement of how a society so technologically advanced could have people so gullible , stupid and foolish. Unbelievable. 
                    A bunch of crazed murder-suicide Muslim zealots hijacked  four  jetliners and killed  around 3,000 people and it’s considered the fault of atheists . Unfreakin’ real. Where was the hand of GOD to protect them ?   Where was that ALMIGHTY SAVIOR  God who sees all, hears all, and protects all ?  
                  After the first plane hit the first of the twin-towers  people were praying all over the world and what was the result of their prayers ?      The people died a horrible death anyway.  They prayed and still died , meaning their prayers were nothing but wasted words uttered into thin air in vain.  Their prayers obviously fell upon deaf ears.   The Christians state that their Bible reads–  [  Asketh and thou shall receiveth   ]    .  Well these people ASKETH and yet they were TURN DOWNETH !    These people ASKETH and yet they were IGNOREDETH   !    These people asketh and yet they were REFUSETH !   These people asketh and yet they were FORSAKENETH  !     These people asketh and yet they were BACK  STABBETH  !       These people ASKETH  and yet God told them to go F*** them SELFETH !!!!      This more and more proves what we as atheists have always proclaimed and that is — NOTHING FAILS  LIKE PRAYER !!!!!!!
                         The religious kooks go out and engage in acts of horror and then they blame atheists.   The religious nut-cases engage in murder, mahem and terror and they blame atheists .   
                           I don’t see atheists beheading people while chanting out loud —— ” There is no God ! ,   There is no God ! “.        I don’t see atheist men forcing  atheist women to walk around dressed like a walking mummy .  Oh but we atheists are considered the most horrible people on earth because we don’t embrace a belief in the invisible Sky Daddy.    
                   Even if someone did prove to me that there is a supernatural   being up there in the sky called God , I still wouldn’t worship the a**hole . What good is the being anyway ?   Look at all the attrocities that have occurred to innocent men , women , children and babies. What sins did innocent children and babies commit to deserve such horrible deaths ?   These people are so gullible , naive and brainwashed it’s pathetic . If God is in control , then God is the cause of hurricanes, earthquakes, tornados, floods, famines, plagues, drought, natural lightning cause forrest fires, lightning strike deaths , and other Holy Horrors  or ACTS OF GOD !   God is therefore the most heinous  mass murderer that has ever existed .  Such a deity doesn’t deserve any praise but only scorn and condemnation. I spit on such a deity.
                       Now the culprits, supporters, associates or like minded religious zealots want to erect shrines and symbols to “rub it in our faces ”  and the most stupid part is we ( or rather they ) let them.
                               

    • Keith

      George, it is a true gift to rant the way you do and still illicit spontaneous bursts of laughter.

      and lo god said ” go f*** thy selfeth”

      You need to keep track of that one. I predict it will find its way to the mainstream in less than 6 months and on tee shirts within a year.

      • George

        I guess you can say it’s a gift from REASON  , and  certainly not a gift from GOD .   Remember , GOD is DOG spelled  backwards.  That explains why our world society has gone to the DOGS .  Try telling that to the brainwashed Bible-humpers.   You see Keith , the Bible-bangers claim to be so logical except when it comes to their ancient superstitions of religious beliefs.   You see Keith , the Bible-pounders demand proof of everything except their make-belief fictitious supernatural deity.   I love to poke fun and piss off these brainwashed wackos . They have NO respect for our rational thinking and beliefs of logic, and rational thinking , so why should I respect these dumb-a**es ?   How gullible can people get ?  
                          Here we are in the Space Age and these gullible brainwashed bafoons are still worshipping , praying and bowing to some mythical Space Ghost —unfreakin’  believable  !!!!!!!!

        • George

          Pardon my typos and any mispellings , as I travel quite a bit and I’m in and out of the coffee shops and usually typing fast and rushing .  The words should have been “believe” and “bufoon”.   I’ve been reading quite a number of letters to the editor in various newspapers and the way the fundamentalist  Christians insult, bash , denigrate, harrass, vilify, malign, engage in ad hominem attacks and mock atheists is sickening and pathetic.  Yet these same double-standard hypocrites expect us to be so respectful of their superstitious indoctrinated dogmatic theological beliefs.
                                They can kiss my DONKEY ( I won’t use the A-word out of respect ).  Hey Keith, I totally agree with Don L when he stated to the effect that you can’t be rational with the irrational .    When these people get to a total saturation point of total theological brainwashing , you’re wasting your time and effort debating with them as they are full of total  emotional  nonsense.   I actually feel silly and also  like a “‘sucker” to allow them to lure me into a senseless argument when they rant perpetually quoting nonsense jargon from their ancient book of superstition.  It’s a waste of time and effort.   I only do it to let them realize they have nothing on us rational secular freethinkers but it’s still a wasted effort.  Once their minds become saturated with their theological brainwashing , any logical presentation to them goes through one ear and out the other. You may as well be talking to a brick wall.

    • Tonia

      a frequent criticism mainstream christian propaganda writers use is that science will cause people and society to become “immoral”, “godless”, “atheist”, (typically and wrongly associating immorality with atheism) and blames science (especially biology/ evolution) for causing people, and schoolkids to feel “inferior” and listless in the world, due to our knowledge that we descended from primates. Oh no. i feel inferior and i live a terrible tragic life because science proves that our ancestors were animals. So? Actually the only ones who will feel inferior are christians who unconsciously dont want to face the truth that evolution is a scientific fact and the Bible’s creation story is mythological. Why go to all the trouble of blaming science for immorality, why not just stop being religious and be reasonable? I guess it’s difficult to do for a christian because they always have the fear that they will go to hell if they stop believing, immediately associating non-religion with evil, bad, immoral. Some people who commit crimes  “repent” to god and ask for “forgiveness”. Outcast and unforgiven by society and the legal system, they try to “prove” themselves morally worthy by becoming Christian, an organized religion which is representative of “moral” society,  the only solace they have for a crime that cannot be erased from their past.

      • George

        That’s because they are brainwashed and gullible stupid fools Tonia.

      • George

        The famous orator anf former Civil War Colonel and Republican Attorney General of Illinois ( an agnostic ) — Robert Green Ingersol stated —-  ” I think it is better to love your children than to love God , a thousand times better, because you can help them, and I am inclined to think God can get along without our help.  If there is a God who will damn his children forever ,  I would rather go to hell than to go to heaven and keep the society of such an infamous tyrant. It is far more important to build a home than to erect a church.
               It is far more important to love your wife than to love God , and I will tell you why.  You cannot help him , but you can help her. You can fill her life with the perfume of perpetual joy.  I  will never desert the one I love for the promise of a god.  I would not know a god if I saw one. Love is not a crime.  Our hope of immortality does not come from religions , but nearly all religions come from that hope “.

        • George

            Tonia —-( in continuation )  —–   Many historians have proclaimed that Robert G. Ingersoll could have very well been the President of the USA if he had renounced his secular stance which he refused.   He was ruthless in his speaking out against  religious brainwashing  and the concept of gods and devils. In a few of his speeches he started small riots or disturbances and his life was threatened often and he was the most maligned man in America at the time. In one state , the governor issued a warrant for his arrest for blasphemy which caused him to have to flee the state . He was brilliant , exceptionally articulate  and brave. Please check out his quotes on the internet— .  Tonia, I promise you will love them .

  • Kiki

    I am so happy to have found this site!I have felt so alone for so long.I have lived in Southwest Virginia for over 20 years.Where I live athiests are far and few between.I have been reading over the comments on this site and am thrilled to finally have found like minded people.It is nice to know that I am not alone.

    • Don L

      Hi Kiki,

      welcome…yup…you aren’t crazy after all!  You actually can reject the nonsense of mystery people in the sky and the communists amongst us!  LOL

      Don L

      • Kiki

        Thank you.It truly is a relief to know that you all are out there and there is a place to turn to for rational discussion!

    • George

      Welcome Kiki  , and glad to have you aboard.  Yes, it is refreshing to be able to correspond and engage in dialogue  with like minded conservative freethinkers. It’s truly a breath of fresh air indeed.   It’s amazing how many people there are who don’t know that we even exist.  More and more will eventually come out of the closet and then world society will see that it is us conservative freethinkers that represent true rational , logical and ressonable  freethought.    In addition, it will be us secular conservative freethinkers that will bring respect, dignity and more real acceptance to freethought throughout society in general.  

      • Kiki

        Thank you.I have been enjoying reading your posts.I am looking forward to finally engaging in reasonable and logical discussions!

        • George

          Hi again Kiki .  I presume by the “sound”  of your name that you are a female of foreign nationality or is it a nickname ?  Nice name really–it’s different. Fist I’ve heard.  Kiki, I am convinced that it will be the conservative women that will save America and world society. The cowardly men have caved in.  The women today have more guts and bravery tremendously moreso than the typical male. I’m NOT trying to stereotype here but today’s men as a whole have   become so feminized , and effeminate that they have lost all touch with their masculinity , valor, sense of self-preservation , survival instincts and responsibility.  I hate to admit this about my own gender  group but it’s true Kiki.
                              Here we have people around the world engaging in acts of terror and yet today’s “politically correct” male want to NEGOTIATE with these savages,  barbarians and sub-human human beings. It’s mind boggling.  People today are so gullible and naive and yet we still have in this Space Age era people who have not learned as a whole how to think independently and question & analyze what they are taught or indoctrinated with.
                            I’m convinced that it will be the conservative woman that will “KICK” the men into gear  and get them to hopefully wake up before we are exterminated by these ancient savage throwbacks who are existing in our modern world society. It will be the conservative WOAMN that will get the wheel turning to save America and the world.  Many of the  men today are too stupid and foolish.  We have too many inept misfits running America and they are jeopardizing our very survival and the situation is getting worse more and more each day.  People are acting too passive as if it isn’t a big deal.  It is  ! 
                          People contiinue to tell me to “tone it down” but actually I need to “tone it up a notch” to get the message out and wake people up into action and to stand up. It’s an uphill battle but one we must be dilligent in and continue to fight.   The zealot jihadists have no respect for us or even themselves .  They only know their theocratic agenda and nothing else.  We have to deal with the terror of the radical Muslims and the pesky annoyance of the zealot Christians. Both groups want to dominate the world and turn the world into THEIR theocracy but the radical Muslims are the most dangerous with the Christians  in second place.  I do not see ANY violence or forcefull & coercive proselytizing missionaries by secular freethinkers anywhere.
                              We need to speak out publicly as well as to one another on discussion forums.  The world is in grave danger and this is no time to be silent and hiding in the closet——do you agree ?    Hang in there Kiki. More and more people are waking up ( slowly but surely ). It’s easy to get discouraged as I have witnessed many times myself.   It is the society of secular conservative freethought that will let people see the dignity of rational secular thinking and social interaction.   Take care Kiki  —————   George

  • Loren

    Theists believe God will provide answers, guidance, control etc.  Liberals believe the government will do likewise.  Both beliefs are childish and have been proven wrong so many times it scarcely bears giving examples.  Nevertheless this irrationality persists, I believe due to intellectual weakness, the power of one’s upbringing, or people just being too weary to think very long and hard about reality.  Do any members of this blog believe a conservative atheist could be elected if he/she voiced both beliefs simultaneously, or would the candidate have to go in with their atheism tucked up in a safe place, to only be revealed once in office and (hopefully) after demonstrating results, thus credibility at least on the economic front?

    • George

      It’s not going to happen anytime soon Loren.  A few surveys that I studied indicated that the great majority of Americans will NOT vote for an atheist for President of the  USA.  The great majority of Americans actually believe the myth that our great country was founded upon Christianity. I have had two  friends tell me that they lost their jobs after openly revealing that they were atheists.  One ( who resided in Texas ) told me he hired a lawyer who told him he had no legal recourse ( personally I believe that to be totally false regarding no legal recourse ) . It’s a civil rights violation and discrimination and amounts to illegal employment  discharge . 
                       People in America have associated religion ( read— specifically Christianity ) automatically with morality, honesty, patriotism , etc.  and considering how so many Americans have been duped into thinking that atheists in general are tied to communism/socialism  ( especially after what the left wing liberal secularists have done to assist in giving us such a bad name ) — my answer is FAT CHANCE.  Perhaps sometime in the future if we still have a country left after the religious zealot nutcases and PC liberals have done their dirty deeds.
                            I can count  the number of atheists on one hand who I know are high profile in public office or have celebrity status . The other reason is that atheists in general are still “in the closet ” and adamantly will not come out and stand up , speak up and fight like those of the Civil Rights Movement, the feminist movement (women’s lib ) and the alternative lifestyle groups , etc. who came out and marched, demonstrated, had sit ins, rallys, and publicly demanded respect.  Atheists simply will not follow likewise. Many civil rights activists were  beaten ( a few were killed ) , many were jailed , harrassed , and threatened but they stood up and fought back.  Try organizing  atheists to march and demonstrate and speak out on a massively large scale basis ——DON’T HOLD YOUR BREATH.
              Religion is strongly welded to our social structure and people falsely associate religion with [ values ]. Being an atheist in THEIR minds means we are the antithesis to these indoctrinated beliefs and we are  falsely considered to be non-patriotic and immoral.  This brainwashing has permeated our society so staunchly.   It will NEVER change anytime soon as long as we atheists do nothing more than chit-chat to one another and NEVER come out of the closet and take our voices into the public and demand respect and recognition. I understand the fear factor and we must make a commitment to take a stand and be counted.  It’s up to US to pass the “torch” to future generations for the preservation of freethought and humanity. Take care Loren.

      • George

        Note—I modified the first comment post and the second posted by mistake ( probably not in the order posted ).   Anyway Loren,  the fact of the matter is that we as freethinkers have to step up get the word out to the masses and until we overcome the fear factor and begin  going public , we are NOT going to make any extremely major gains in progress on the scale that we want. It’s a sad but true fact of life.

    • George

      A few surveys have been made on the national level and the conclusion indicated that the great majority of Americans would never vote for an atheist as President of the United States.  The overwhelmingly high majority of Americans still believe the myth that this country was founded upon Christianity.  Christians ( who are the vast majority ) actually believe that atheists are immoral, and are communists after being brainwashed during the Cold War era ( and it even prevails today ) with all this former USSR (Stalin ) bullcrap. I detest socialism/communism and political correctness.
            Compound this with the horrible example that LIBERAL atheists have made of atheism with their decadent,  anti-American, anti-family, etc.  left wing political agendas and this reinforces the anti-secular mindset of the Christians.  Then we have the Christian clergy , fueled by the mainstream media and society at large who give total credence to religion ( particularly the CHRISTIAN ) aspect because this is what they have been indoctrinated to believe since childhood.
                     I am an atheist and I’m a conservative libertarian and I’ve had conservative Christian friends who I never brought up the issue of atheism to have told me to my face that they would vote for me if I ran for president considering my views but I’m sure that would quickly change if they knew I was an atheist.  The subject never came up and I do not wear my secularism on my sleeves but I am totally “out of the closet” and even outspoken about my secular freethought beliefs.
                     I have lost quite a number of friends and associates because I revealed my atheism publicly and proudly being a rational freethinker of reason and logical and sensible thinking.  The sad thing is that this doesn’t coincide with the status quo who are overwhelmingly pro-religious ( read pro-Christian ).
                   People like myself have lost friends, co-worker friendship, ostracism by associates,  and even being “disowned” by relatives.  I have two atheist friends who told me they lost their jobs after coming out openly as an atheist. I understand the fear factor because I’ve been harrasssed, insulted, called vile names and even discriminated against because I’m a secular freethinker. I don’t like to use the term “atheist”. I don’t want to be identified as someone who simply rejects someones else’s indoctrinated dogma. That doesn’t identify who I am or what I believe  ( it only indicates what I reject ). I prefer the term secular freethinker and I even more prefer the term Rationalist ( with a capital “R” ). It lets people know I believe in rational thinking ( not dogma ) , logical analyzing ,  reason, critical thinking , using good sense and an inquiring mind ). It’s a POSITIVE.  Sorry for the rant but you get the concept. I don’t think America yet is ready at this moment for a non-religious  person to be head of our great nation. Not yet at least.  We have to speak up publicly and demand respect and counter the liberal left wing secular rhetoric that hurts our public image. Just as groups like the Civil Rights Movement , the feminist movement and alternative lifestyle groups came out and went public, marched, demonstrated , held rallys, and spoke out publicly in the media —we atheists must do the same. This is why we are dragging along at a snails pace , because WE as a whole DON’T do this . It’s an uphill battle but a battle we must keep fighting  and it’s up to us to pass the “torch” along to future generations to keep FREETHOUGHT  alive and to preserve humanity.  Take care Loren.

    • Keith

      Agreeing with George that electing an atheist isn’t probable anytime soon. Not as long as we have so many who are in utter disbelief that Mayor Bloomberg didn’t invite clergy to the 9/11 memorial because so many found solace in their religions after the attacks. What is amazing is none faulted god for letting the attacks happen. None questioned where was god when his people had to decide whether to burn to death or jump to their deaths. Where was god to protect his heroes who ran INTO the buildings trying to help?
      Not that I think Bloomberg didn’t have ulterior motives because I think he didn’t want to offend muslims by inviting everyone but them. 

  • Hochuli’s Biceps

    Thank goodness for this site! — Reading the many excellent, “big name” blogs/sites about political topics with whom one largely agrees UNTIL they start demonizing secularists became wearisome long ago. This place looks to be a welcome antidote to that all-too-familiar situation.

  • Resalelady

    I am so glad to have found this site. I too uphold fairly conservative values but often find myself struggling with the god references. One does not have to believe in God to do the right thing. In fact, as I get older, I realize that one really has nothing to do with the other. I know very religioius folks who would not dream of stopping to help someone in need while those who have NO relgioius beliefs would be the first to stop to help.
    Although I respect the moral standards of the religion in which our country was founded, I believe that religion has NO place in politics. I agree that many proclaimed athiest are very liberal and tend do not hold the same set of beliefs that I do. I think this country is on the bring of serious change. There is no god that will save us. It is the people and the free will of those that will do the right thing. I am glad to have found what seems to be a well balanced site for discussion!

    • George

      Welcome to the discussion forum Resalelady. I use to become  very frustrated at attending secular meetings that were only fronts for liberals promotng their left-wing agenda under the guise of secular freethought ,  and as such , I know exactly where you’re coming from.  I share your sentiments. You wrote—” Althought I respect the moral standards of the religion in which our country was founded……………. ”    Actually , America was NOT founded on Christianity and none of the practicing religions had really true moral standards ( not for everyone )  , especially considering the vast number of human rights violations ( the list is endless, and many were supported by the Bible ).    At one time I felt just like yourself wondering if most or nearly all atheists were liberals.  It is most comforting to know that there are like-minded individuals like yourself who share your secular beliefs but are not a part of the liberal left-wing bandwagon. The conservative secular ranks are growing steadily and as I have stated in the past  , it is indeed truly a breath of fresh air.    It will indeed be us conservative atheists that will bring about dignity, respect and more public acceptance & recognition in the public sphere. Welcome !!!!!!!!!!!!  

      • George

        In continuation to above post.   During quite a number of secular meetings that I attended , I would raise my hand , stand up in the audience  and make statements to the attending audience from a conservative perspective  and I was ‘shocked” at how many people agreed with me but were afraid to say so during the meetings.  Many would come to me after the meeting was dismissed and tell me in private that they totally agreed with my position ( from a conservative point of view ) but they would not dare say so during the meetings because they were afraid they would be  subjected to ad hominem perrsonal attacks.
                           Having experienced this repeatedly , I know for a fact that the number of conservative atheists are vast and not just a miniscule few. They are simply “in the closet”  and it will be up to us to bring them out and we will eventually over time.  I have been an active and outspoken atheist for a few decades and I have also suffered tremendously for speaking out and yet that’s the price we pay for standing up in a society that is hostile toward secular freethought.  Over a period of time, there will be much frustration and despair, but we must continue to carry the torch of freethought for future generations and real freedom. Yes, it’s an uphill battle and well worth it for the sake of  not only just preserving physical  freedom , but also freedom of the mind.

    •  Values, standards, morals, principles…whatever you want to call behavior and basic beliefs that allow for a society to act whereas individuals’ rights are respected and protected…are a function of rational and reasoned thought!  Religions always include 90% rational and reasoned principles in their propoganda in order to sell the 10% tripe. 
       
      The 10 commandments are an example.  If you want folks to get along…don’t steal, murder, etcetras.  Then they add idols and other nonsensical crap.  Incidentally, commandment 1:  no gods before me seems to indicate that there are other gods.  Hmmm.
       
      Anyway, as I observe this site, I read volumes about atheism.  Still haven’t heard much from anyone about the “conservative”…other than all claim to be one.  So, again, I prompt discussion of:  what is it being conserved?  Personally, I can’t think of anything, from either populist political party.  And, much of the libertarians is OK, but these folks are insane in pacifism similar to the stupidity of a Chamberlain:  “I hold in my hand the treaty signed by heir hitler…”
       
      First, it is a fact that without economic freedom, there are no rights…inalienable or otherwise.  Further, all things political/legislative/governing are economic.  So, if you seek to conserve something…what things economic do you speak of?  Democrats are socialists and that has failed everywhere over time and across the planet.  The republicans are also socialistic whereas they implement and support big government central planning (the essence of socialism) while proclaiming free enterprise.
       
      Unfortunately, from CEOs to janitors…95% of the population is totally ignorant of things economic!  How many reading this, without any “google” can do a simple compare and contrast of Keynesianism, monetarism and Austrian economic thinking?  How many define fractional reserve central banking?  Or, who among you knows what an economist is and what an economy is?  How about division of labor?  These are basic elements of America’s system.
       
      I’ve posted this before:  If all you know about economics is how you feel…ask yourself where and when were you convinced to not care about your liberty or your money.  Don’t know why the country is where it is now?  How many elections have you said why doesn’t it ever get better and how do they get away always lying to us?  Bottom line…if you don’t know about basic economic thinking…you are a useful stooge of the left!  And, you may be an atheist, but you haven’t a clue about conserving anything.
       
      It’s free…teapartyeconomics.com…DOWNLOAD THE 10-book package.  10 tiny booklets to fill the ignorance gap!  When you educate yourselves…let me know…we’ll talk!  http://teapartyeconomics.com/index.html
       

  • Ben

    Hi George,Irepeat my questions about conservative tradition which is the tradition of WASP? What of this tradition can be accepted by atheist,minority,non-white? Ayn Rend assert that the constitutional idea of the free enterprise-capitalism is long ago  destorted by the state  so the conservative`s arguments ” smaller state”,”less taxes”- smaller then what?,less then what-demonstrate their helplessness. Another question is the intolerance to black racism and hidden tolerance to the white racism? I`d like somebody explain me my misunderstanding of the American conservatism.

    • George

      Hi again Ben.  Up until recently as a black man I was in an interracial relationship with a white woman ( we are no longer together ). I have been ridiculed , insulted and ostracized more so by racially bigoted blacks than by racially bigoted whites.  The media , black clergy and PC political pundits have been the influential mainstream factor that is the “driving force”  behind the group-think , entitlement and victimhood mentality which permeates black society today.
                In fact , the poster Don L  ( a white conservative ) asked the question to the effect  regarding conservatives  ——-” What are we trying to conserve ? “.   I have seen tollerance and intollerance on both sides of the fence and it depends on many factors of what different people are exposed to. For example it depends on one’s  geographical area , ethnic mixing by socialization, news media and peer influences , and also exposures  to situations like bad encounters with certain ethnic group situations ( which varies by economic, geographical, and social parameters ).   The biased and manipulative /influential  mainstream media has a lot to do with it.
                          Things that you have been exposed to and have observed may be entirely different to what I ( and others) have been exposed to and have observed. As a result , we formulate our perceived mentalities based upon these influences ( some positive ,  some negative and  I must admit —some even  indifferent ).
                I’m now retired and as a black man , I grew up in the deep south under Jim Crow segregation , and discrimination, and I watched parades of KKK marches, police beating citizens , fire hoses turned on black demonstrators, etc.
                  Also, I was around during the time that was considered  [ the black power movement ] and I witnessed clenched fist black militants who stereotyped ALL whites negatively .  I have seen racial bigotry on both sides of the fence  ( and yes we do have areas where one side supercedes the other ( depending on the time, location, and situation ). I can’t speak for you , but for me , it never fails that when I find myself shaking my head in disgust at one group, here comes the other group  saying or doing things just as or more  horrible , intollerant or bigoted.
                 It has been often said to never judge another person until you have walked in his shoes. That’s not always true. I have never walked in the shoes of a terrorist and I can indeed be judgemental towards someone who wants to kill me when I’ve done absolutely nothing to him , just because he/she has been brainwashed and  indoctrinated  with hate.  I may not be answering your question as you perceive it  but I am indeed a rare breed and the real problem Ben is that people today as in the past blindly let themselves be influenced  by their parents, siblings, peers, schools, politicians and especially the media.  Beware the Government  Media  Complex.  We are simply a widespread  &  massive product of our environment and our perpetual outside influences and the average person regardles of race, gender, national origin simply DOES NOT think for himself or independently  analyze , rationalize, reason, logically inquire or question anything—but blindly and trustingly accept on face value what they are told without question.   This applies to the issue of RELIGION /SECULARISM issues, racial issues, gender issues , societal  issues , philosophical issues and political issues.   Take care Ben.

  • Ben

    I appreciate your website greatly, but I want to uanderstand the ideology of your  conservatism,because I`m sure the atheism is not the ideology( if one hasn`t the aim to convert humanity in atheism).

    • George

      Hi Ben , I cannot speak for the staff of this website but as a conservative atheist myself I can qualify myself to speak personally of what I believe as a conservative atheist. I believe as a conservative of the values of less government , less taxes , individual freedom, free enterprise/capitalism , support for the traditional family, patriotism ( but not  blind patriotism ) , a strong economy and a strong national defense,  sincere moral values of respect for self and others and dignity , pride and valor.
                      As I stated , I’m only speaking for myself .  There are only two atheist conservatives that I know personally that reside in my local area ( there may be more who are “in the closet” ).  At no time have any of us (including myself ) gone out into the public with any intent of engaging on a secular crusade to convert the religionists ( for the most part–Christians ) to secular freethought or atheism.  I would indeed like them to “wake up” to rational thinkling. There may be some proselytizing atheists , but I personally am not one of them. If people want to believe in superstition , that’s their decision and I couldn’t care more or less. I do have a serious problem when people push their theological indoctrinated organized dogma upon the rest of society via government and the media as pushed by the zealot fundamentalist intollerant clergy .
                    I know for a fact that there are  religious fanatic forces in our great society that are truly bent on turning our great country into a national Christian theocracy. I will openly admit that I am at times very aggressively outspoken because for many decades I have been a victim of the hatred, bigotry, discrimination, and the narrow minded/ignorant mindset that permeates our society because of the mental programming that is fundamentalist Christianity.  The biggest threat to world society today is radical Islam.
             I will also openly admit my continual frustration toward fellow atheists who adamantly refuse to stand up publicly and fight the fight instead of merely paying useless congregational  (in private)  lip-service to the problem. Atheists in general are not going around trying to convert people to atheism. We are indeed trying to stake our claim as decent law-abiding citizens who deserve the same rights and recognition as all others.   Why should I ( a secular freethinker ) be ashamed to publicly let it be known that I am a rational thinking individual free of indoctrinated dogma  ?   Why should I be ashamed to let society know that I can think for myself without the “crutch” of  theological brainwashing ?   Why should I not speak up for my rights as a freethinking individual who has NO intent of infringing on any one else’s  rights but only want to be left alone and not have others force their religious dogma upon me ?
                  I do not consider myself a part of any movement.  One can be highly assertive  ( even in the public “arena” )  without being arrogant , forceful , pushy , and ignorant.  It is imperative that if we as freethinkers are going to make any gains at recognition in our society that we speak up and speak out in the public and also get busy engaging in pragmatic activities of which the public can appreciate us and admire us in spite of all the myths and deceitful lies made about secular freethinkers.  I am a Rationalist   ( considering that I believe in rational thinking, using good common sense and reason and have a logical mind ) .  I accept NOTHING on face value but rather I question , analyze and seek answers for sensible questions. 
                    While there may be SOME atheists that go on an in your face tirade ( they are actually in a very miniscule minority ).  The vast majority of atheists are still in the closet out of fear and I understand their fear considering what I have experienced in my life. Our silence can be self-destructive . It is important to enlighten society to true freedom of thought and allow people to be in charge of themselves without the threat of any kind of persecution and it can only be done  by our speaking out  publicly  to unlock the mental chains on the minds of world society.  If this is my mission , then it is a noble one.

  • George

    The following are a few books for your perusal  :

    * Life Without God : A Guide to Fulfillment Without Religion—- by Nicholas S. Tzannes , Ph.D 

    * The “God” Part of the Brain : A Scientific Interpretation of Human Spirituality and God —- by Matthew Alper

    * The Believing Brain : From Ghosts and Gods to Politics and Conspiracies— How we Construct Beliefs and Reinforce Them as Truths

    * Why We Believe in Gods)  : A Concise Guide to the Science of Faith– by J. Anderson Thompson

    * Jesus Doesn’t Live Here Anymore

    * The Ancestors Tale : A Pilgrimage to the  Dawn of Evolution

     

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  • George

     I must honestly and wholeheartedly say that this website  [ The Atheist Conservative ]  is the ONLY website that gives us a daily report on events that are happening around the world that we are NOT getting from ANY of the mainstream media news sources.  The Radical Looney Left has actually “hijacked” secular freethought and has the general population  believing that to be an atheist , one has to be a flaming die-hard left-wing liberal socialist pro-Democrat Party supporting pundit demagogue.
                          Many if not ALL of the negative images that the average person has about atheists has come from the damage that the radical liberal left has done to portray us as such.  It isn’t so much that we as atheists don’t believe in a supernatural being , but rather it is a matter of what the average  Christian and other theologians observe as a result of LIBERAL atheists pushing their liberal left-wing agendas under the “umbrealla” of atheism.  Such behavior and left-wing activism has smeered the image of secularism.  As such, we moderate, libertarian and conservative atheists have gotten a bad rap and if atheism is to be accepted or survive in world society , I am convinced without a doubt that it will be CONSERVATIVE  ATHEISTS that will change these negative images of us. 
                             People in our society automatically associate the term CONSERVATIVE with the Christian right and they also automatically associate ( although wrongfully so ) the term ATHEISM with some form of left-wing liberal socialist/communist or immoral belief or mindset. Nothing could be further from the truth.  In addition to posting on this and like-minded blogs, I urge the atheist conservatives to let our voices ring publicly and you will see that we will indeed be accepted more and more as people begin to get a different perspective  of who we truly are.    I do understand the fear factor as even today I still endure harrassment, ostracism and overwhelming stress as a result of my outspoken stance. I have been beaten down repeatedly and I always bounce back.  It is not my intent to convert anyone who is religious to atheism  or to malign anyone who thinks differently from myself , but rather to take a stand for secular freethought to stand proudly and  tall and be accepted for the rational , logical , reasonable and common sense beliefs that we truly stand for.  It’s an uphill battle folks and it definately is not going to be easy just as all good causes and rights have to be fought for .

  • Dvanmeeter

    This blog forum is  a breath of fresh air in the swampy enviroment of left-liberal PC double-speak, on the one side, and “Jesus freaks” on the other.  Glad that I stumbled upon this site.

    • Jillian Becker

      Welcome, Dvanmeeter!

      We hope to hear more from you.

  • George

     I was in my car this morning  Wednesday 05/25/2011 and heard a conservative radio talk show host talk about a recent Duke University study and then I went to the internet and found several articles on the study as well. The Duke University study suggests that born again Christians have smaller brains.  Yep , you read it right folks. It’s also online on an internet article at  :     at    http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2011-05-brain24_ST_N.htm

  • George

    Now that Osama bin Laden has been killed by the NAVY SEALS and assault helicopter airstrike you can bet your bottom dollar Obama is going to capitalize on this to get his approval rating up. He’s already emphasizing to the media that HE gave the order instead of focusing and giving credit to the guys who went in there and did the job and took that worthless scumbag out. Nevertheless I have to give him credit , at least he gave the order in spite of the fact that I don’t care for Obama and I’m cheering that Osama is now dead. He will be replaced with another crazed zealot nut-case who will follow in his shoes . This is just a start . The war on radical Islam is not over and in fact it’s heating up and we need to turn up the heat even more and take em all out ! Three cheers for the NAVY SEALS and the airstrike team !!!!! Way to go guys !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • George

      In continuation to my previous post —- Check out the very detailed story put out by The Associated Press by Kimberly Dozer and David Expo ( story and photos ). Do a keyword search under the title : [ US kills Osama bin Laden decade after 9/11 attack ] .

      • George

        The original report I heard regarding bin Laden was in error and incomplete. At first I heard on the radio that it was an airstrike then a later report clarified what happened. Us Blackhawk helicopters ferried two dozen NAVY SEALS from Seal team 2 ( a top military counter-terrorism unit ), a firefight ensued and bin Laden was shot in the head . I’m glad they killed the $$#@#$^%$ instead of taking him captive and then some liberal committee decides to put him on trial in a civilian court . One of the terrorist scumbags inside the compound tried to use a woman inside as a human shield. These terrorist scum are the lowest vermin on earth and are below sub-human. If Don L is reading this , then I give a high five for the NAVY SEALS. Two thumbs up for the NAVY SEALS . The SEALS are my kind of kick a** guys !

  • George

    I’ve been reading a lot about Heather Mac Donald , the current famous political commentator. Do a Google search under the keywords [ Heather Mac Donald atheist ] . One article is : [ 10 questions for Heather Mac Donald ]. I don’t care for Pete Stark ( the liberal atheist politician ) because he comes across in my opinion as being left wing liberal-socialist ( just my opinion ). This is one brave woman . Please read her profile and how she has come out as an atheist and also a political public figure. There are several articles on her on the internet. I haven’t yet read anything negative and I haven’t completely checked her political leanings but as a politician she has boldly professed her atheism publicly and that I admire. I’ll have to research more . I have stated many times that the women of today have more guts than the men of today considering how so many men today are such gutless wimps. More and more women of today are standing up and speaking out while more and more men are trying to be so PC . I would quickly vote for a conservative woman politician who accepts secular freethinkers and the separation of church and state. Move over “girly men” and let the gutsy women who are stepping up to the plate point you in the right direction.

    • George

      Correction — I meant to say as a PUBLIC FIGURE she has come out ( not as a politician ).

      • George

        In continuation to previous post. It is going to be brave women like Brigitte Gabriel , Carmen Bin Laden , and Heather Mac Donald who are going to wake people up worldwide and ” get the ball rolling ” to save our civilization . Shame on the wussified men of today !

        • George

          Ooooops , I forgot to add one other extremely brave woman to that list who is speaking out and I’m not pandering either. That brave woman is Jillian Becker !!!

  • George

    Hey guys , check out the fantastic letter to the editor in USA TODAY newspaper today , Thursday April 28, 2011 written by an atheist in defense of atheism. I notice that USA TODAY has a regular column titled -” On Religion ” but none titled -” On Freethought” or On Reason ” . I submitted a letter also but this one got printed . Thanks anyway USA TODAY. Great letter !

    • George

      In a follow up to my previous letter , here is where IMHO USA TODAY shows it’s blatant bias against atheism. In USA TODAY , there was published an articled titled– ” How Easter and Christianity undermine atheism ” by Anthony Stefano . The article is not only incorrect but is a blatant attack upon atheism and cites incorrect figures and information regarding atheists and is another failed attempt by a radical religionist in defining what atheism is.
      Christian zealots actually believe they know more about atheism than what we atheists know about ourselves. Why doesn’t USA TODAY allow an atheist author to publish a reciprocal article about religion ( specifically Christianity ? ). The bias is so blatant. As usual it’s always “hunting season ” on atheists and we are constantly targeted by the zealot religionists who print false articles and other anti-atheist propaganda in their media publications.
      Until more and more atheists “come out of the closet ” and publicly speak up in defense of atheism , this will continue. The problem is that when gutsy atheists do indeed speak up and stand up vigorously against these secular bashing bigots , we have fellow atheists who join in and label usas being ANGRY for speaking up as we should.
      We have every right to be angry with all of the anti-atheist attacks we are subjected to regularly. Imagine if we atheists were to write anti-religious ( specifically anti- Christian ) articles in major news media publications what the public reaction would be . Yet we atheists are expected to ” walk on eggshells ” so that we don’t offend the religionists who themselves have absolutely NO qualms about offending us whatsoever. What a bunch of double-standard and deceitful hypocrites !