Muslim women pay to be slaves 27

Muslim women are passed – often while they are still children – by their fathers to their husbands, whose religion teaches them: “Your wives are a tilth unto you; so go to your tilth when or how you will.”(Koran 2.223)

The wives are exploited in every way imaginable. Their lives could not be more wretched. And on top of it all – the bride’s family has to pay her exploiters and tormentors to subject her to unending misery.  

The husbands not only  get slaves, they also get money to enslave them. If they don’t think they’re paid enough, they burn the wife.

This report,  which tells a common story, comes from yesterday’s issue of the Pakistani paper the Tribune:

Seventeen-year-old Fauzia, a resident of 72 NP, was taken to Shaikh Zayed Hospital where doctors described her condition as critical. They said she had suffered severe burns on more than 60 per cent of her body and that she was unlikely to survive.

Police …  had registered a case against Zeeshan Ahmed, Fauzia’s husband, and his brother Imran Ahmed.

Fauzia’s parents said she had been complaining about her in-laws’ behaviour ever since she got married to Zeeshan a year ago. They said her in-laws were not satisfied with the dowry and insisted that she ask her parents for more. They said her in-laws also beat her up a couple of times.

On Tuesday, they said, a neighbour called them and informed them that Fauzia had been burnt…. He had heard a woman crying for help and rushed to the house next door along with his other family members.

He said they found Fauzia rolling on the floor trying to put out the flames. “We poured several buckets of water and later took her to the hospital,” he said. He said there was no one else in the house and suggested that her in-laws had fled.

Fauzia’s brother Sajid Ali said he and his father were both daily-wage workers and that they could not afford to purchase more items for her dowry. He said both he and his father made between Rs400 and Rs500 a day which was just enough to provide two meals to their family.

Our special source, who speaks on condition of anonymity in order to avoid being tortured to death, tells us that the voice of Allah Muhammad replied to that outburst, sneering down from Paradise: “Excuses, excuses! You should have made do with one meal a day and paid the men more to use your daughter and sister how they will. Now reimburse them the cost of the fuel and matches, or else!”

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  • http://www.facebook.com/gabrielle.ahmadi Sanaz Ahmadi

    I am opposed to the dowry system, however, this article has a great fundamental flaw. The dowry system where the bride’s family pay to the groom is in India. In the Muslim tradition, it is the opposite. The groom has to pay dowry to the bride, called mahr. The mahr can be taken by the parents, or be a promise to the bride herself. The contract can specify different things, such as for example, she can take it out whenever she wants, or she can only get it if the husband decides to divorce her, or she gets is at the same time as the wedding, and so on. It is no less degrading, however, but it can be helpful in societies where the woman doesn’t have opportunities for a proper salary and no value after losing her virginity.

    • Jillian Becker

      Thank you for this, Sanaz Ahmadi. The custom of the bride having to take money into the marriage may belong to only some countries’ traditions, but among those who adhere to it are at least some Muslims. In Britain it is quite often reported that immigrant Muslim families – maybe mostly from India – have killed a bride – burnt her to death commonly – because the “dowry” she should have brought has not been paid or not fully paid.

  • Anonymous

    WLIL,
    Your attempt to simplify matters by only seeing skin color would be hilariously funny if it weren’t so patently stupid . . . and . . .  if so many people had not been attacked and killed over the centuries by others who could only see color.  Your methodology is flawed, dangerous, and historically disastrous . . . clearly evil.

    • Don L

      You are merely a hateful ignorant idiot!  All you’ve done is show up and post a stupidity.  And, I’m an un-non-white guy!

    • Don L

      cheongyei,

      Hey, this is second post today that has appeared not where I posted.  This was a reply to the fool WLIL.  Sorry…

    • WLIL

      There was nothing evil about my speech which was based on unpleasant fact and unpleasant reality. I did not accused every non-whites. I only  meant non-whites  have  much HIGHER TENDENCIES to enslave and bully disadvantaged people. And also it is a fact that there are many non-moslems, non-whites asian domestic workers who got enslaved by their own greed. I am a non-white. I don’t have a supremacist attitude. You are the one that is dangerous for twisting my comment into a racist issue . Many non-whites  do have behavioural problems or attitude problems and do in fact need to improve their behaviour to make this world a better place to live in.   That is why morality is important, 

    • WLIL

      That is why civilised behaviour is important, whatever colour or race one identify with, or whether one believe in God or not.

  • WLIL

    Slight amendment on my last sentence.

    At the end of the day, those non-whites have to solve their own problems which was perpetuated by the greed of non-whites and brutal exploitation by their own non-whites inhumanity, whatever faith or non-faith they may be from.

  • WLIL

    Non-whites,  of whatever faith or none faith,  have a much higher tendency to exploit and bully other more disadvantaged people. It is not only an islamic problem. The fact that till now non-white women as well as non-white men still attempt to enslave other more disadvantaged people is cause for concern. At the end of the day,  those non-whites have to solve their own problems which was perpetuated by the greed and brutal exploitation of non-whites, whatever faith or non-faith they may be.

    • Jillian Becker

      WLIL – 

      Few “non-whites” have equalled and none have surpassed the exploitation and bullying (to put it very mildly) of the white Hitler and the white Stalin and the white inquisitors of the Catholic Church – just to take the most obvious examples. 

      • WLIL

         Stalin have too many eastern/non-white features  And Hitler was most probably corrupted by a horrible predominantly non-whitle/ eastern culture/ideology that originated from the east.

        • George

          WLIL , here you go again with this “probably ” nonsense . Hitler was white ( GERMAN) and so were all of his henchmen. Stalin was white and so were all of his hencehmen.     Here you go again spewing out your racist drivel as usual.   There are blacks in Africa that I have condemned for doing horrific acts and so forth and other ethnic groups as well  , so I am certainly being fair and honest here —-not you.  You come upon this discussion forum spewing out your hate-mongering drivel and then try to twist it around and make it appear that it’s us. That’s BS  and you know it.

        • Don L

          You are merely a hateful ignorant idiot! All you’ve done is show up and post a stupidity. And, I’m an un-non-white guy!

        • Zena

          I actually don’t believe that a conversation like this is being made :)

          i think you need to change the wordings from – civilized and non civilized or People of the developed countries, people of the 3rd world.

          Please, grow up and read history. Most bloody wars were within the whites – dark ages, Europe. Romans used to slaughter people although they were “white” .

          The 1st and 2nd world war were within the “whites” – excluding Japan. The “whites” supported originating Israel in Palestine.
          The “whites” used to enslave Africans, treated them like animals, killed thousands of them, and killed over a Million Red Indian in the U.S.

          So please go revise your book, before posting such comments.

          My apologies to every white person in here,  WLIL posts provoked me. i do respect every human being whoever his color was, and no race EVER had no mistakes.

    • George

      WLIL , you’re on the wrong website.   If you wanted the storm front site then you made a wrong turn.  I suggest that the next time you go to your KKK or neo-nazi meetings , that you recognize what a stupid fool hate-mongering racist bigot that you really are. Then , again , I’m sure that is exactly what you prefer to be—-so STFU !!!!!!!!   

      • WLIL

        You just proved you are just an other intolerant nasty( non-white?) person who are intolerant of other people who have even a slightly  different opinion. For you to accuse me of being racist is just out of line. I am just sick and tired of being bullied and abused by non-whites of various faith and none-faith. I know you are quite a regular commentator here but still you have no right to verbally abuse me in that way.  Anyway, what you suggested was not only irrationally abusive  but also was most inappropriate. 

        • George

          First of all WLIL , the person doing the abuse is yourself and YOU are the one coming on here making gthe racist remarks about non-whites and your comments do indeed smack of racism plain and simple.  So don’t play the victim role here when you are the one posting your arrogant  racist remarks.   I don’t go around stereotyping people and I certainly don’t group people in general as being the same because they are of a particular ethnicity.   Just because you may have been bullied by some non-whites doesn’t give you the right to condemn everyone who is non-white .  There are non-whites who have been bullied by whites and I’m sure the same goes vice versa —so the racist stereotyping is on YOUR part not mine or anyone else on this site and the bullying is coming from you —-not us.   The most inappropriate and bullish comments came from you and we merely reciprocated in response to what YOU instigated .  The irrationality is on your part not ours.    You could have simply stated some experiences that you may have had and been civili about it  , but oh no , not you—-you comment on this discussion forum making ad hominem personal racist attacks upon non-white people and now you’re trying to play the “victim card” .  Who do you think you’re fooling.  You know full well you’re NOT being honest and so do the rest of us here . Your remarks are pure BS and you’re not the only one who has had bad experiences with someone of another ethnicity —-but the problem with you is that you LUMP and entire group ( or groups ) in the same category whereas I judge a person by their personal character as an individual and NOT by their ethnicity.  Got it  ? 

  • George

    I continue to ask the same question over and over again.     Where are all the loudmouth feminists who proclaim that they care about the rights and welfare of women ?  Where are they ?  Everytime I ask this question  , I never get a serious answer but rather some sarcastic response as usual.
                         I don’t see the National Organization for Women ( NOW)  or the Concerned Women of America (CWA)   marching, protesting, chanting, screaming, and forming  PAC’s ( Political Action Committies ) in mass goups of thousands in the streets or the mainstream media speaking out against this type of treatment of these women . Where are their voices ? This is a legitimate question and I wonder what the feminists themselves have to say about this.    Where are the so-called defenders of women  [  FEMINISTS  ]  who proclaim to be so concerned and supportive of the rights of women ? Where are they ? Show me ?    It’s just a question that deserves a fair and honest answer ( as if I really don’t already know ). I’m still awaiting an honest answer.   Why all the silence regarding this abuse and mistreatment of women ?  Where are all the so-called moderate Muslims to denounce this  who say they support women ?   Where are their voices ?   This is another question I would like answered .  Why is  the liberal left-wing news media who proclaim to be so pro-women  to speak out on this horrible treatment of women.     Where are the news programs on this ?  Personally I have only seen two brave women in the world to publicly speak out on this and they are Jillian Becker and Bridgiite Gabriel   ( both who are my heroine champions ) .  Are you listening and paying attention feminists ?    Hellllllllllooooooooooooooooo    ????????????????

    • Anonymous

      The liberal women are too stupid to see the threat of isslamm.  They have a faith, secular liberal, which is every bit as irrational as christian conservatives, and they, too, are blinded by their faith.
      I have read of women who thought it would be ‘cool’ to marry a Saudi or some other musslimm here in the states.  At some point, the father, a middle-eastern musslimm at heart, decides he’s done with his foolishly liberal American wife with her demands to be equal and important, and heads home with his daughter to ensure that this girl will not have the right to be as obstinate as her mother.
      But the liberals persist, like psychotic junkies.

      • George

        You’re absolutely right Cheongyei —it’s social & societal suicide ! This is what indoctrinated brainwashing does.

      • Zena

        Judging a whole religion depending on  several cases is quite unfair/irrational :)

        I’m a Muslim woman, living in a conservative Egyptian Muslim society, living happily without seeing any kind of such discrimination. Islam has been misused by many Muslim people who claim to know its basics, just as many other religions in the past ages. Crusaders have killed millions in the name of Christ, although we know at least now that Christianity is the religion of peace.

        Please, try not to be biased, and try not to believe the media. They have this war on Islam dealing with it as if it is a terrorist religion.

        if i were you, i would have read the whole islamic holy book from “true” sources to avoid mis judging.

        and by the way, according to the “Islamic” religion, women are not supposed to pay any dowry to get married, but Men are! What is happening in Pakistan is a cultural 3rd world related issue, as well as “Hindus” in India. Women “pay” to get married.

        Oh Lord, we all have social responsibility towards these women not just feminists.

        • Anonymous

          Zena, your so-called ‘holy’ book demands that you lie to infidels, so how could anyone trust you??  Adhering to your mindless, primitive cult’s tenets is foolishness squared.
          The whole idea of a god, and servitude to that god, is abhorrent. When you study and compare ALL of the world’s religions to the ugly one you were raised in, and read ALL of their holy books, then come back and aske us to read your irrational nonsense.
          To believe in gods and prophets is so incredibly naive it makes me laugh. I’d even laugh more if your folks weren’t looking for ways to kill more infidels.

        • WLIL

          Zena, the fact that there is still a form of or a type of (subtle or otherwise) of enslavement, carried out by richer non-whites on poorer non-whites, which is still quite prevalent in non-white Asia. Just see how those non-whites treat their live-in maids which they treated more like a slave.  Slavery is still happenning in the non-white world, ie, islamic asian and nonislamic asian world!  I respect everyone whether they are from third world or first world or whatever race or colour they are as long as they don’t try to enslave me with whatever ideology. 

        • WLIL

          And furthermore, one should also take note of the prevalence of non-whites in Asia and Middle East that  are still enslaving their own non-white people via horrible suppressive  non-white work culture, via horrible oppressive backward non-white culture,  via horrible  tribal, religious ideology in this age and time! 

        • WLIL

          And furthermore, islamics ( who dominate certain part of the world or a big part of the non-white world)  should take steps to stop all types  of slavery, be it domestic types of slavery or internatonal slavery, that were known to cause  various restriction and inconveniences to disadvantaged people. 

        • WLIL

          If you read history, most of the wars were caused by or started by predominantly non-whites ideologies or eastern non-white culture that was originated from Middle East and Asia, both predominantly non-white region. Then there is also Europe being attacked by people from Mongolia, a predominantly  non-whites  region, in the 13th century and recently in this century,  US was attacked by predominantly  non-whites Islamist from predominantly islamic region. 

        • WLIL

          I only mentioned some of the unpleasant aspect of the non-white world which is alot worst in too many aspects, when compared to the white world. Anyway, I am not here to defend the white race. I am also not here to defend the non-white race. And it is immoral of you to blame me for provoking your  anti-white sentiments, when I only criticised the non-white world, which are of various beliefs or nonbeliefs.