Taking the piss 33

We are of course against the deliberate infliction of physical pain. But the infliction of humiliation, especially on enemies who hold what they call honor as their highest value, seems to us a very good way of punishing them or, used as a threat, of eliciting information from them. Which is why we do not condemn the humiliating treatment some Muslim terrorists famously received at the hands of American soldiers at Abu Ghraib.

Now the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) – and the bien pensant throughout the West –  are claiming to be shocked by a video of some marines pissing on Afghan corpses. Comparisons are being made with Abu Ghraib. A criminal investigation is underway.

Since the Afghans are dead, they are not even being humiliated. The pissing merely relieved the feelings as well as the bladders of American soldiers. But by publicizing the picture, condemning the soldiers, launching criminal enquiries, the ISAF are choosing to feed propaganda fuel to the enemy.

President Karzai, he who wears literally the mantle of power in his hell-hole of a country, purses his mouth and blusters – frankly taking the piss out of the US and its allies:

The government of Afghanistan is deeply disturbed by a video that shows American soldiers desecrating dead bodies of three Afghans. This act by American soldiers is simply inhuman and condemnable in the strongest possible terms. We expressly ask the U.S. government to urgently investigate the video and apply the most severe punishment to anyone found guilty in this crime.”

The enemy will only see self-castigation by the Western allies as proof of weakness. For them, war has to be ruthless. Muhammad and his followers slaughtered all the men of a tribe and enslaved the women and children, setting the god-authorized pattern for Muslims to follow forever. The desecration of enemy corpses is routine for jihadis.

And what else do they do? What do Afghans themselves do to their own people?

This is from the Telegraph:

“You must become so notorious for bad things that when you come into an area people will tremble in their sandals. Anyone can do beatings and starve people. I want your unit to find new ways of torture so terrible that the screams will frighten even crows from their nests and if the person survives he will never again have a night’s sleep.”

These were the instructions of the commandant of the Afghan secret police to his new recruits. For more than three years one of those recruits, Hafiz Sadiqulla Hassani, ruthlessly carried out his orders. But sickened by the atrocities that he was forced to commit, last week he defected to Pakistan, joining a growing number of Taliban officials who are escaping across the border.

In an exclusive interview with The Telegraph, he reveals for the first time the full horror of what has been happening in the name of religion in Afghanistan. …

He became a Taliban “volunteer”, assigned to the secret police. Many of his friends also joined up as land owners in Kandahar were threatened that they must either ally themselves with the Taliban or lose their property. Others were bribed to join with money given to the Taliban by drug smugglers, as Afghanistan became the world’s largest producer of heroin.

At first, Mr Hassani’s job was to patrol the streets at night looking for thieves and signs of subversion. However, as the Taliban leadership began issuing more and more extreme edicts, his duties changed.

Instead of just searching for criminals, the night patrols were instructed to seek out people watching videos, playing cards or, bizarrely, keeping caged birds. Men without long enough beards were to be arrested, as was any woman who dared venture outside her house. Even owning a kite became a criminal offence.

The state of terror spread by the Taliban was so pervasive that it began to seem as if the whole country was spying on each other. “As we drove around at night with our guns, local people would come to us and say there’s someone watching a video in this house or some men playing cards in that house,” he said.

“Basically any form of pleasure was outlawed,” Mr Hassani said, “and if we found people doing any of these things we would beat them with staves soaked in water – like a knife cutting through meat – until the room ran with their blood or their spines snapped. Then we would leave them with no food or water in rooms filled with insects until they died.

“We always tried to do different things: we would put some of them standing on their heads to sleep, hang others upside down with their legs tied together. We would stretch the arms out of others and nail them to posts like crucifixions.

“Sometimes we would throw bread to them to make them crawl. Then I would write the report to our commanding officer so he could see how innovative we had been.” …

After Kandahar, he was put in charge of secret police cells in the towns of Ghazni and then Herat, a beautiful Persian city in western Afghanistan that had suffered greatly during the Soviet occupation and had been one of the last places to fall to the Taliban.

Herat had always been a relatively liberal place where women would dance at weddings and many girls went to school – but the Taliban were determined to put an end to all that. Mr Hassani and his men were told to be particularly cruel to Heratis.

It was his experience of that cruelty that made Mr Hassani determined to let the world know what was happening in Afghanistan. “Maybe the worst thing I saw,” he said, “was a man beaten so much, such a pulp of skin and blood, that it was impossible to tell whether he had clothes on or not. Every time he fell unconscious, we rubbed salt into his wounds to make him scream.

“Nowhere else in the world [is there] such barbarity and cruelty as in Afghanistan. At that time I swore an oath that I will devote myself to the Afghan people and telling the world what is happening.”

Before he could escape, however, because he comes from the same tribe, he spent time as a bodyguard for Mullah Omar, the reclusive spiritual leader of the Taliban.

“He’s medium height, slightly fat, with an artificial green eye which doesn’t move, and he would sit on a bed issuing instructions and giving people dollars from a tin trunk,” said Mr Hassani. “He doesn’t say much, which is just as well as he’s a very stupid man. He knows only how to write his name “Omar” and sign it.

It is the first time in Afghanistan’s history that the lower classes are governing and by force. There are no educated people in this administration – they are all totally backward and illiterate. … I think many in the Taliban would like to escape. The country is starving and joining is the only way to get food and keep your land.”

This Hafiz Sadiqulla Hassani should not be let off his crimes simply because he piously promised himself to tell the world about them and has done so. Why isn’t he being tried, condemned, executed – and pissed on?

The Washington Post usefully informs us:

U.S. military law and the Geneva Conventions prohibit desecration, mishandling or exploitation of bodies of people killed in war.

Prohibit do they? To our own certain knowledge their prohibition has been about as useful as the Pope’s pudenda. (In Lebanon in 1982-1983, the corpses of men killed by the PLO had their genitals cut off and stuffed into their mouths, and no cry of “Foul!” went up from Geneva or anywhere else – JB.)

The human capacity for indignation is inadequate to react commensurately to the savagery of the murdering, torturing Afghans.

The best thing our soldiers can do is kill them. They should also, if they feel like it, piss on their corpses.

 

P.S. Seems the four marines didn’t actually piss at all.  (Hat-tip Indigo Red)

  • Harold

    We all agree that the behaviour of the Taliban and Al Qaeda is abhorrent.  Terrorism, abuse, murder and torture are  all bad things, and cannot be done by the “good guys”, or they cease to be good guys, as mentioned by others below.

    Pissing on (or pretending to) some dead Talibs is a very small thing compared to killing them, surely.  If someone killed my friend, then pissed on the body, I would not be kicking up a fuss about the pissing.  However, it is not a good thing to do, and it should not be done.  This behaviour does not make the perpetrators the bad guys, but it should be discouraged.

    Pissing on the dead publically for the purposes of inflaming the passions of the relatives or associates of the dead is a worse thing.  I don’t believe this was the case here.  If this were policy, it would be much harder to defend the idea that these are the good guys.  The good guys should recognise that killing is sometimes necessary, but should regret each death rather than celebrate it.

    From the behaviours and policies of the various actors in this we can see that the Taliban and Al Qaeda are the bad guys and the USA is the good guy, and we should not forget this.  However, the USA and American individuals are capable of,  and do in fact sometimes cross the line.  The more that policy and statements of the leaders encourages this is a measure of how much of the good guy they are.

    This is where I find your line disagreeable.  To state that you do not condemn the humiliating treatment dealt out in Abu Graib is abhorrent, and if you follow the consequences you would see why.   History and experiment have shown clearly that if you place one group with absolute power over another, the powerful group is very likely to abuse the powerless unless strict measures are taken to moderate their behaviour.  This seems to have happen in Abu Graib – there was no condemnation, and likely even encouragemnent of abusive behaviour.  The humiliation was part of a softening up before questioning – some of the victims were probably terrorists, but many were not.  You justify this treatment because they are terrorists, and you know they are terrorists because they are muslim.  Your war on islam justifies inhumane treatment of people not convicted, or even charged, with crimes.  Any agency that abuses, encourages or even allows abuse of people not guilty of commiting crimes puts themselves clearly in the “bad guys” camp – because unless you condemn it you know that it will happen.  Not condemning pissing (real or otherwise) on the dead also ecourages de-humanisation of the enemy, and therefore encourages further excesses.

    But maybe you do not care about being the good guy. 

    • George

      Harold , out of total honesty , I do NOT know what went on at Abu Graib , and I certainly DO NOT know what has happened at camp Gitmo in Cuba —— as I only get my information from the news sources that report to us and it becomes a matter of who we choose to believe.   People on both sids of the fence automatically  accept as truth that which supports their beliefs , agenda, political stance , and dogmatic position. At least I’m being totally honest about it from what I have been hearing so far from various sources.   There is no such thing as an unbiased media  [ ANYWHERE ].

      • Harold

        Hello George, have you been away for a while?  It is a while since I have seen your comments.  Anyway, we none of us know all the details of Abu Ghraib, but very clearly we do know something.  Even if you choose to believe the most lenient of the media sources, it is quite clear that what went on at Abu Ghraib should not be condoned.  It should also be clear that the sort of behaviour shown there was almost inevitable, given the orders and regime that was run there.  I think the people at the top were equally guilty, not just the individuals who got prosecuted.

        But on a wider point, we are all at the mercy of what is reported to us, but it is not simply a matter of choosing who to believe.  We can take some steps to assure ourselves of the reliability of the sources before deciding. 

  • Jillian Becker

    un-

    You are welcome to join in a debate on our pages, to argue a case, to supply information, to say why you disagree with a post or a comment. But you seem to have come on to our pages mainly to insult other writers. If everything we believe and stand for is so hateful to you, wouldn’t you be happier reading and commenting on some other website? Abusing us as you do will not persuade us to change our minds. It will confirm for us that you are not a very civilized human being.  

     

    • un

      it’s not what you stand for, which particularly bothers me, it’s
      the fact that you seem to have an ever shifting belief system depending
      on the outcome for the group you associate with.

      you can’t be
      for and against terrorism at once. you can’t complain about islamic
      terrorism while supporting terrorism against muslims. you can’t be for
      and against civilization at once. you can’t complain about inhumane
      treatment of people by muslims and defend the inhumane treatment of
      muslims. it’s this heavy stench of hypocrisy that drives me to write as
      aggressively as i do, not your belief system as you think.

      if
      there is another website you know of where i should challenge hypocrisy
      and double standards, i’d be happy to know about it.

      • Jillian Becker

        Can you really not see the difference between the way the Taliban, and Islam generally, deals with those it punishes and the way that American law deals with them? 

        I suggest you read “Taking the piss” again, and our many posts on the application of sharia in Iran and other Islamic states, and then try to see it. Do your best. Really think, sir, really think.

        • un

          the american law? you mean the one which is supposed to work on the principles of habeas corpus? you mean the one which is supposed to be against unusual and cruel punishment?

          apparently, denying habeas hearings or delaying the process to a point where the judicial process is distorted beyond any reasonable functionality, so that it stops becoming a judicial process isn’t high on your priorities of abuses to tackle. remember, this happens on your backyard with your own consent, it’s your responsibility. 

          also apparent is that physical and psychological torture of detainees is something the american law has either overlooked or condoned for the most part of the nation’s history.

          the way i see it, americans can only point at worse instances than their own abuses to defend them. that’s akin to a rapist claiming he is justified in his act because the victim was previously raped and beaten whereas he didn’t beat the victim.

          i did read “taking the piss” and it’s just an abhorrent piece of trash which can simply be described as redneck self-righteousness expressed through illogical arguments. i believe the body of a person represents their identity, it bears the marks of their life experience and even when their consciousness is no longer in existence, that body deserves the respect for having the undeniable connection with the conscious existence of the person it used to belong to. this has meaning not just for the family and friends of the deceased, but for anyone who have the nerve to call themselves decent human beings. so i do take offense at the idea that since a person is dead, the body which used to fuel their consciousness stops being a part of that person’s identity and becomes somehow fair target for psychopaths and other types of perverts.

      • On Jillian’s point, I personally recommend that you check out the article entitled Two tales of a city.

  • Ralph

    What pisses me off is the hate and violence that religion creates.

  • un

    “In Lebanon in 1982-1983, the corpses of men killed by the PLO had
    their genitals cut off and stuffed into their mouths, and no cry of
    “Foul!” went up from Geneva or anywhere else”is this the example you come up with, you sons of whores? overlooking the atrocities committed by the christians with the help of the jews against the muslims in sabra and shatila, murdering women and children and even carving open bellies of pregnant women. next time you assholes try to pull something off like this, it’s only fair you get your genitals cut off and stuffed into your mouths, when you’re alive.

  • un

    reply to the common idiot (aka Don L)

    “Hey f__kface…I read your stupididty on nobody gets individual rights; only society counts.”

    that’s not what i wrote you stupid fucktard, this is…
    “individual rights are a non-issue in real politics. politics is about what’s right for the society, period.”
    and it’s very much the case. your so-called individual rights are meaningless outside of the norm of a society. in the wild where you’re on your own, the concept becomes moot. since politics determine the societal structures whether it’s the enforcement of the private property rights which i’m sure you have no qualms about or whether it’s the providing of healthcare for it’s members, politics is by definition a direct result of the concept of society, thus being about what’s right for the society.

    “And, I sure would eradicate you vernmin as long as you wnat to impose your filth religion and your stupid communism on me/us…

    Get
    all your F__ing friends to read this…let them know that their ideas
    mean nothing and they have no right to speak unless it’s approved.”

    the irony is, only people who display aggression are you and your capitalist empire. projection much?

  • un

    idiot cracker is idiot cracker…

    your argument is as stupid as your blog. it’s not just inflicting deliberate physical pain that’s outlawed under international law, it’s also inflicting psychological damage. so, your support of this form of torture in abu ghraib is duly noted to throw back into your pale face until the next time you cry and bitch about an american being on the receiving end of it, hopefully.

    • Fan of Heather Mac Donald

      Your inferiority complex is showing, insecure troll.

      • un

        so is your utter inability to form a coherent sentence, imbecilic bitch.

  • Anonymous

    I am flabbergasted by the amount of ink spilled versus the dearth of urine actually pissed. I would guess that most folks have seen the 35 sec censored video the MSM has shown, but few have seen the full 1 min 25 sec uncensored original that clearly shows that none of the Marines peed on the Tilib bodies. At best, it was performance art; at worst, it was the humor of poor judgement. 

    http://furtheradventuresofindigored.blogspot.com/2012/01/urinating-marines-piss-off-us-officials.html

    Urinating Marines Piss Off US Officials

    • George

      Absolutely  sir !   Thanks for the post

    • Don L

      Thanks IndigoRed.
       
      Twere’ it my post as CnC…Id, make sure our troops dealt out more horror and mayhem on these muslim filth fighter and their families, than they could even imagine.  Our troops should not be seen as Pu__ies, but as the most violent and dangerous things on the planet…never to be toyed with!

      • un

        well, thanks for justifying 911. apparently you have no qualms about terrorism and collective punishment, thus you give up on behalf of all americans to be safe from terrorism.

        • Fan of Heather Mac Donald

          Moron Troll is moronic

        • Don L

          Hey f__kface…I read your stupididty on nobody gets individual rights; only society counts.  And your additional insanity that free speech is what the government says it is.  Those two ideas alone brought down the Soviet Union but you go ahead and keep to them.

          And, I sure would eradicate you vernmin as long as you wnat to impose your filth religion and your stupid communism on me/us…

          Get all your F__ing friends to read this…let them know that their ideas mean nothing and they have no right to speak unless it’s approved. 

          Filth has to be cleaned up and you have proven you offer nothing but death and destruction and failed ideaology. You are a fool to your government…I hope yopu get to die for it!

  • George

    In response to Daily Kenn :

                     Sir I understand your point and true, we should NOT reduce ourselves to their level in general terms but this is combat.  It’s so amazing how the very people who speak out against four Marines urinating on dead terrorist bodies are the very people who have been totally SILENT regarding all the attrocities committed by the terrorist themselves. Where is the public outcry and denunciation of THEM when our captured soldiers  are tortured and beheaded alive ?  TOTAL SILENCE .   Where are the people who proclaim to be offended by this peeing on corpses to speak out against women being stoned to death and hanged, widespread massacres , subjugation, tortures , etc ,etc ,etc ?    In these respects it’s NO PROBLEM !   But as soon as one of our guys so much as causes a terrorist to break a fingernail then the whiners, bleeding hearts, and sympathizers come crrawling out of the woodwork raving & ranting.
                        We have Kharzi demanding an investigation. Where was his f***ing demand for investigations regarding all the violent acts and torturing of LIVE American troops ? Where are the voices to speak out about that . Tell me ! Show me  !  This double-standard hypocrisy  is what plays right into the hands of the terrorist goons who are laughing at us literally.  This stupid PC rule of us being ultra-nice , polite and respectful to them while they go to the ultimate degree of humiliating , torturing and violating us is totally assine. These terrorist are NOT going to reciprocate and be nice and respectful to us when we treat them respectfully . Instead , just the opposite is true——-they see and interpret that as WEAKNESS and respond as such.   You cannot fight a PC war and win.

  • George

    Sir I understand your point and true, we should NOT reduce ourselves to their level in general terms but this is combat.  It’s so amazing how the very people who speak out against four Marines urinating on dead terrorist bodies are the very people who have been totally SILENT regarding all the attrocities committed by the terrorist themselves. Where is the public outcry and denunciation of THEM when our captured soldiers  are tortured and beheaded alive ?  TOTAL SILENCE .   Where are the people who proclaim to be offended by this peeing on corpses to speak out against women being stoned to death and hanged, widespread massacres , subjugation, tortures , etc ,etc ,etc ?    In these respects it’s NO PROBLEM !   But as soon as one of our guys so much as causes a terrorist to break a fingernail then the whiners, bleeding hearts, and sympathizers come crrawling out of the woodwork raving & ranting.
                        We have Kharzi demanding an investigation. Where was his f***ing demand for investigations regarding all the violent acts and torturing of LIVE American troops ? Where are the voices to speak out about that . Tell me ! Show me  !  This double-standard hypocrisy  is what plays right into the hands of the terrorist goons who are laughing at us literally.  This stupid PC rule of us being ultra-nice , polite and respectful to them while they go to the ultimate degree of humiliating , torturing and violating us is totally assine. These terrorist are NOT going to reciprocate and be nice and respectful to us when we treat them respectfully . Instead , just the opposite is true——-they see and interpret that as WEAKNESS and respond as such.   You cannot fight a PC war and win.

  • Q – What makes them the bad guys and us the good guys?

    A – They act like a-holes and we don’t.

    Let’s not become the bad guys.

    • George

      Sir I understand your point and true, we should NOT reduce ourselves to their level in general terms but this is combat.  It’s so amazing how the very people who speak out against four Marines urinating on dead terrorist bodies are the very people who have been totally SILENT regarding all the attrocities committed by the terrorist themselves. Where is the public outcry and denunciation of THEM when our captured soldiers  are tortured and beheaded alive ?  TOTAL SILENCE .   Where are the people who proclaim to be offended by this peeing on corpses to speak out against women being stoned to death and hanged, widespread massadres , subjugation, tortures , etc etc etc ?    In these respects it’s NO PROBLEM !   But as soon as one of our guys so much as causes a terrorist to break a fingernail then the whiners, bleeding hearts, and sympathizers come crrawling out of the woodwork raving & ranting.
                          We have Kharzi demanding an investigation. Where was his demand for investigations regarding all the violent acts and torturing of LIVE Amer ican troops ? Where are the voices to speak out about that . Tell me ! Show me  !  This double-standard hypocrisy  is what plays right into the hands of the terroist goons who are laughing at us literally.

    • Don L

      Daily Ken…I’m no F’n nice guy.  Indeed, I’d like to run into you, piss on ya,  and show you how jacka__es like you are why filth like muslims get away with there crap everywhere…turn the other cheek my a__!
       
      Rather, thosse marine should have lifted that dead scum and severed the heads.  No, instead we play idiodic “not are values” nonsense.  My values are to live, to grow, to prosper.  Yours is to look like those thinga are possible while unwittingly barring/frustrating any capability of freedom and exercise of rights.  PR in exchange for life.

      Slaughter these F__ks.  Gas em, eradicate the vermin.  Whya do we waste time pretnding this garbage is worthy of any consideration.

      I want to thrash your parents and your sunday school teacher & public school teachers for conditioning you into this useless piece of crap you’ve become.  What makes us the a-holes?  that they don’t give a damn about living and life andf we let them get away with it by not being even more brutal in order to protect life!  

      The only purpose a human has is selfish…it is to live…to survive….not to play at nicey nicey!

      Hey Daily Kenn…yopu belifs will actually get you an end of live…no more days ever…Kenn!  F yourself a-Hole!

    • un

      that ship has sailed centuries ago….

  • George

    I read an article  that indicated that four US Marines may end up being court martialed because they urinated on the dead bodies of Afghan Muslim terrorists.  Where was the Muslim denunciation of Muslms dragging the dead bodies of US soldiers in the streets of Mogadishu ? Where was the Muslim denunciation of the Muslims in Guantanomo prison camp who routinely threw feces mixed with urine into the faces of the guards there and lied about their Qurans being flushed down toilets and being tortured ?    Where was the Muslim public outcry for that matter regarding 9/11 in the USA ?  Where was the Muslim outcry regarding the 18291 acts of terrorism committed by Muslims as of this date  Jan. 14, 2012 ? A Marine is being held captive in The Middle East now when he went to visit his grandmother and now he is accused of being a spy.  How much more is the world going to take ? How much more tolerance is the world going to show ?    Where is the breaking point when we say enough is enough ?    At what point do we put our foot down and say — That’s it—no more ?     When will the world stand up and fight back ? The future looks very dismal and a  dark  “cloud”  is moving over world civility with the intent to cast us back into 7th century datrkness. The civilized world will only take so much and then something is going to break.   When the Japanese attacked us at Pearl  Harbor , they cheered after bombing the harbor facilities and ships . The Japanese Captain of one of the aircraft carriers said to the effect that they  shouldn’t cheer just yet because —   ” We may have just awakened a sleeping giant “——. After that , two mushroom clouds rose over Japan  ( nthanks to President Truman— a man with guts ).   The problem we have now is that we have a weak President in office and the enemies of America smell weakness.   It is imperative that we vote a pro-American conservative President into office for the salvation of America and world freedom.

    • un

      why are you pissed of bitch?

      using the same logic in this stupid article written by the prime asshole, once the marines were dead, it was all right for them to be dragged through the streets.
      “Since the Afghans are dead, they are not even being humiliated.”

      well, since the crackers were dead, they weren’t even being dragged through the streets.

      • Fan of Heather Mac Donald

        Trolly Trollingham is not bright.

        • un

          if anyone is trolling, it’s the people who write the articles on this blog. i’ve never seen a real person who is both a randroid libertarian and a neo-con at the same time. cognitive dissonance much?

      • George

         Oh so you respond with  —    ” Why are you pissed off bitch ? ”  And yet you talk about our language. Whatever language that was used by us was indeed a reciprocal response to the initial post that you first made on this website.  If you had simply come on here and stated why you disagreed or gave a contrary commentary, then fine.  Instead , you were indeed abbrasive and antagonistic right from the start and this is what started this fiasco.   
                       Un ,   you rant about our language and yet our language has been solely in  response regarding the initiated language to what you started from the get go.  Those Marines who were allegedly urinating on 4 dead  Afghan terrorist bodies will no doubt receive a court martial and it definatley won’t be a slap on the wrist.  Did you get equally angry about the four engineers burned to death and hung from a bridge ? Did you get upset about the three Muslim women who requested to be heard regarding women’s rights in their nation and were subsequently hung from three cranes ?  Did you get upset and speak out against the dead American military men whose dead bodies were dragged through the streets of Mogodishu ?  That’s a double-standard hypocrisy.    I am certainly NOT going to spend everyday engaging in some “pissing contest”  ( no pun intended ) or “bickering match” which is going nowhere. If I ever see any  innocennet men , women, and children mistreated by Americans , then I have and still do  continue to speak out against it.  Personally speaking , I have better things to do with my time than engage in a silly and childish back & forth daily “mud-slinging” bashing  contest  .   
                              All of this could be avoided if a person ( pro or con ) would have simply said  either —  ” I agree with Marines because [fill in the blanks] ”   or     “I disagree with the actions of the Marines because [ fill in the blanks ] “.  Certainly sounds simple enough to me –either way.

        • un

          “Did you get equally angry about the four engineers burned to death and
          hung from a bridge ?”

          i wasn’t angry that they were killed, they worked for blackwater, a right-wing christian mercenary group known to engage in the killing of innocent muslim civilians for the sake of killing muslims. more importantly they died in a firefight, they weren’t burned to death as you claimed. as for the desecration of their bodies after, it was disgusting and pointless.

          “Did you get upset about the three Muslim women who
          requested to be heard regarding women’s rights in their nation and were
          subsequently hung from three cranes ?”

          yes i did.

          “Did you get upset and speak out against the dead American military men
          whose dead bodies were dragged through the streets of Mogodishu ?”

          same as my response to the blackwater contractors. war needs to have a purpose and a means of conduct, there is no justification for putting the families of the dead soldiers through such a painful experience.

          ” If I ever see any  innocennet men , women, and children mistreated by
          Americans , then I have and still do  continue to speak out against it.”

          does that extend to the families of these men who had to witness such a humiliation of their loved ones?

  • George

    I read an article  that indicated that four US Marines may end up being court martialed because they urinated on the dead bodies of Afghan Muslim terrorists.  Where was the Muslim denunciation of Muslms dragging the dead bodies of US soldiers in the streets of Mogadishu ? Where was the Muslim denunciation of the Muslims in Guantanomo prison camp who routinely threw feces mixed with urine into the faces of the guards there and lied about their Qurans being flushed down toilets and being tortured ?    Where was the Muslim public outcry for that matter regarding 9/11 in the USA ?  Where was the Muslim outcry regarding the 18291 acts of terrorism committed by Muslims as of this date  Jan. 14, 2012 ? A Marine is being held captive in The Middle East now when he went to visit his grandmother and now he is accused of being a spy.  How much more is the world going to take ? How much more tolerance is the world going to show ?    Where is the breaking point when we say enough is enough ?    At what point do we put our foot down and say — That’s it—no more ?     When will the world stand up and fight back ? The future looks very dismal and a  dark  “cloud”  is moving over world civility with the intent to cast us back into 7th century datrkness. The civilized world will only take so much and then something is going to break.   When the Japanese attacked us at Pearl  Harbor , they cheered after bombing the harbor facilities and ships . The Japanese Captain of one of the aircraft carriers said to the effect that they  shouldn’t cheer just yet because —   ” We may have just awakened a sleeping giant “——. After that , two mushroom clouds rose over Japan  ( nthanks to President Truman— a man with guts ).   The problem we have now is that we have a weak President in office and the enemies of America smell weakness.   It is imperative that we vote a pro-American conservative President into office for the salvation of America and world freedom.